Anti-semitism in the British Labour Party
- Jacked Camry
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While we're on topic, I'd like spitthedog to expand on his "Jewish group" that controls the financial markets. Do tell.
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Jacked Camry wrote:Let me disabuse you of that notion. Vlad most demonstrably Is an Anti-Semite and has proven it in dozens of posts written by his own hand. Anti-Semitism is clearly hatred against a particular race. So yes, he is a racist.spitthedog wrote:Well fair enough then Scooby. But nobody actually thinks Vlad is a racist now do they?scobienz wrote:Oh come on. That guy isn't a famous jewish gay journalist. He's a crackpot. Everyone starkmonster cites as a reliable source on here is a crackpot. Hell, starkmonster himself thinks starkmonster is a crackpot.
PS, Starkmonster's posts remind me so much of yours in so many ways.....Highly intelligent etc.
Could it be that.....
Now I had you on ignore as well from the same thread from the past, thanks for reminding me why. Glad you feel pride in identifying with these scum and are comfortable saying so publicly. It's far better for this to be out in the open so that any pretense of your viewpoint is removed.
Yes, Jews control the world's financial markets and no, that's not racist at all! You make me sick.
My grandmother was jewish and from a German family i might add. As you can imagine this was a real problem for me since the day i was born. Sigh. Dated a lovely jewish girl years ago aswell.
I seem to remember you calling South Koreans ''Klingons''.
Would you care to elaborate on that? Was that just a throw away line or something...deeper?
Others seem to despise the Chinese on here, some dislike muslims....but why should i care i guess.
Also, can you explain to me why the richest nations on the planet have built the Israeli military into one of the most powerful armies on the planet? And how does that sit with your strong views on global inequality/the system is rigged....and Klingons?
I could probably get away with posting anything outrageous about Muslims, but certain things are obviously off limits.
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No. No you couldn't. Like I said I've had enough of that sort of shit and those who keep propagating it will be dealt with.spitthedog wrote:
I could probably get away with posting anything outrageous about Muslims, but certain things are obviously off limits.
The only 'group' that can be attacked with impunity as Australians. It's already in the forum rules and one I think everyone is comfortable with.
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I don't know anything about this Naz or her statements, I'll look her up. If she said that Jewish people should be deported from Israel or something she's a twat. I read through Ken Livingstone's statements today, and didn't actually see anything too offensive about them. Perhaps he has said stuff previously that was offensive, but I'm not aware of it. I'm more than a bit disappointed, Ken was always one of the only politicians in the UK that I could bring myself to like. He ran the GLC until it was shut down by the Tories, and after it was shut down he got a party going at the HQ by Mornington Crescent and it lasted for days. This was back in 1986 when I had just moved to London, and contrasted wildly with the riots down in Wapping.
I don't particularly support Israel, they seem to have a bit of a Nixon-influenced approach where they use disproportionate force, but maybe that's how you deal with that kind of stuff? Maybe there's some better way, I don't know of it. They are needed as allies in the region by various major players, and they are allies who can be trusted. Egypt was also a major ally until things went all revolutionary and fell apart. Like it or not, it's just realpolitik.
Not all of the richest nations, there are quite a few who have blackballed Israel, and a whole lot of the surrounding countries don't even recognize it's existence. I thought it would be obvious to anyone why the US, UK, etc would back Israel. It's a solid country that can be relied on to curb the growth of Arab powers in the region. They are tough as hell and armed to the teeth and while they still exist no country in the region is going to get too big for their boots.spitthedog wrote:
Also, can you explain to me why the richest nations on the planet have built the Israeli military into one of the most powerful armies on the planet?
I don't particularly support Israel, they seem to have a bit of a Nixon-influenced approach where they use disproportionate force, but maybe that's how you deal with that kind of stuff? Maybe there's some better way, I don't know of it. They are needed as allies in the region by various major players, and they are allies who can be trusted. Egypt was also a major ally until things went all revolutionary and fell apart. Like it or not, it's just realpolitik.
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It's very difficult to express a view because feelings run so high and one doesn't look to inflame feelings, but to hope for serious debate. Thanks to scoobie for a bit of humour to (hopefully)defuse some of the high feelings.
I want to answer a couple of JC's comments. It's obvious that he's feeling aggrieved, and I do empathise with that, but still I have to tread carefully.
JC, you strike me as a reasonable bloke, but, if I may say so,your feelings of being baited might be clouding reasoning, a bit.
There are loads of instances of Jewish-owned Merchant Banks. What about the Houses of Rothschild, Salomon, Goldman Sachs, Loeb, Lehman, Warburg and so on?
I don't think that ordinary Jewish folk are to blame for any of the problems caused by a tiny minority. Au contraire; in fact they are victims. Victims that have been mercilessly slaughtered in order for a few monsters to further their evil agenda. That's how much this small group of maniacs care about anyone. That, for me, is the great unfolding tragedy of this awful situation.
I really hope there are no ill feelings around for my saying this.
I want to answer a couple of JC's comments. It's obvious that he's feeling aggrieved, and I do empathise with that, but still I have to tread carefully.
JC, you strike me as a reasonable bloke, but, if I may say so,your feelings of being baited might be clouding reasoning, a bit.
There are loads of instances of Jewish-owned Merchant Banks. What about the Houses of Rothschild, Salomon, Goldman Sachs, Loeb, Lehman, Warburg and so on?
I don't think that ordinary Jewish folk are to blame for any of the problems caused by a tiny minority. Au contraire; in fact they are victims. Victims that have been mercilessly slaughtered in order for a few monsters to further their evil agenda. That's how much this small group of maniacs care about anyone. That, for me, is the great unfolding tragedy of this awful situation.
I really hope there are no ill feelings around for my saying this.
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- Jacked Camry
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Nice try at deflection. So this means that because I've fucked some Christians and Buddhists and have both as relatives, I am not against them. On the other hand, having not fucked any Muslims or being related to any of them, I must hate them? Is that the gist of your argument?spitthedog wrote:Jacked Camry wrote:Let me disabuse you of that notion. Vlad most demonstrably Is an Anti-Semite and has proven it in dozens of posts written by his own hand. Anti-Semitism is clearly hatred against a particular race. So yes, he is a racist.spitthedog wrote:Well fair enough then Scooby. But nobody actually thinks Vlad is a racist now do they?scobienz wrote:Oh come on. That guy isn't a famous jewish gay journalist. He's a crackpot. Everyone starkmonster cites as a reliable source on here is a crackpot. Hell, starkmonster himself thinks starkmonster is a crackpot.
PS, Starkmonster's posts remind me so much of yours in so many ways.....Highly intelligent etc.
Could it be that.....
Now I had you on ignore as well from the same thread from the past, thanks for reminding me why. Glad you feel pride in identifying with these scum and are comfortable saying so publicly. It's far better for this to be out in the open so that any pretense of your viewpoint is removed.
Yes, Jews control the world's financial markets and no, that's not racist at all! You make me sick.
My grandmother was jewish and from a German family i might add. As you can imagine this was a real problem for me since the day i was born. Sigh. Dated a lovely jewish girl years ago aswell.
I seem to remember you calling South Koreans ''Klingons''.
Would you care to elaborate on that? Was that just a throw away line or something...deeper?
Others seem to despise the Chinese on here, some dislike muslims....but why should i care i guess.
Also, can you explain to me why the richest nations on the planet have built the Israeli military into one of the most powerful armies on the planet? And how does that sit with your strong views on global inequality/the system is rigged....and Klingons?
I could probably get away with posting anything outrageous about Muslims, but certain things are obviously off limits.
I asked you a very specific question based on some very specific words that you wrote. Who are the "Jewish Groups" that you refer to, the ones who act in concert to rig financial markets? It's not unreasonable to ask for clarification. Go on then, explain yourself, you cowardly cunt.
As to Klingons/South Koreans, that's a pet nickname we have for them based on our experience on the golf course. Klingons don't believe in what is considered civilized behaviour in that milieu, hence don't wait for the group in front to clear before teeing off, have no qualms jumping in their carts and driving ahead of you then teeing off and making you wait for them, and engage in loud caddy abuse. If you want to start a thread about South Korean or Chinese abuse, be my guest. This thread's about something else.
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Hi springrain - no worries, I have no issues with you as I detect nothing specifically Anti-Semitic in your ravings. I also think you're a nice guy, even if somewhat batty. However, you are lacking in some basic logic. Allow me to point out the error of the conflation of Goldman Sachs et al and "Jewish groups controlling the world's financial systems".springrain wrote:It's very difficult to express a view because feelings run so high and one doesn't look to inflame feelings, but to hope for serious debate. Thanks to scoobie for a bit of humour to (hopefully)defuse some of the high feelings.
I want to answer a couple of JC's comments. It's obvious that he's feeling aggrieved, and I do empathise with that, but still I have to tread carefully.
JC, you strike me as a reasonable bloke, but, if I may say so,your feelings of being baited might be clouding reasoning, a bit.
There are loads of instances of Jewish-owned Merchant Banks. What about the Houses of Rothschild, Salomon, Goldman Sachs, Loeb, Lehman, Warburg and so on?
I don't think that ordinary Jewish folk are to blame for any of the problems caused by a tiny minority. Au contraire; in fact they are victims. Victims that have been mercilessly slaughtered in order for a few monsters to further their evil agenda. That's how much this small group of maniacs care about anyone. That, for me, is the great unfolding tragedy of this awful situation.
I really hope there are no ill feelings around for my saying this.
I think you would agree that Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamics, Northrup Grumman, Boeing etc., are primarily Christian companies, in that their Boards of Directors, most employees and most of their shareholders are Christian. From this, can I say that it is a fundamental value of Christians to propagate war and destroy other countries? Can I say that "Christian groups" are primarily responsible for the global arms race, that Christians control the spending of most governments (given the large proportion of funds being spent on weapons produced by these companies), that Christians act in closed conspiracy to incite and implement wars in order to perpetuate this profitable global market in weapons and death?
This is patently absurd, although perhaps you're nodding and going "yes, that's the case" given that you're a believer in Lizard people. But most people would think it crazy to assume that just because most people who manage and work at these companies are Christian that they are engaging in some widespread religious-based conspiracy. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT GOLDMAN SACHS ET AL.
I know you aren't doing it out of malice, hence you get a pass from me. These other assholes don't though, they know damn well what they're doing.
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Ahhh. He we go, the abuse again.Jacked Camry wrote:I asked you a very specific question based on some very specific words that you wrote. Who are the "Jewish Groups" that you refer to, the ones who act in concert to rig financial markets? It's not unreasonable to ask for clarification. Go on then, explain yourself, you cowardly cunt.spitthedog wrote:Jacked Camry wrote:Let me disabuse you of that notion. Vlad most demonstrably Is an Anti-Semite and has proven it in dozens of posts written by his own hand. Anti-Semitism is clearly hatred against a particular race. So yes, he is a racist.spitthedog wrote:Well fair enough then Scooby. But nobody actually thinks Vlad is a racist now do they?scobienz wrote:Oh come on. That guy isn't a famous jewish gay journalist. He's a crackpot. Everyone starkmonster cites as a reliable source on here is a crackpot. Hell, starkmonster himself thinks starkmonster is a crackpot.
PS, Starkmonster's posts remind me so much of yours in so many ways.....Highly intelligent etc.
Could it be that.....
Now I had you on ignore as well from the same thread from the past, thanks for reminding me why. Glad you feel pride in identifying with these scum and are comfortable saying so publicly. It's far better for this to be out in the open so that any pretense of your viewpoint is removed.
Yes, Jews control the world's financial markets and no, that's not racist at all! You make me sick.
My grandmother was jewish and from a German family i might add. As you can imagine this was a real problem for me since the day i was born. Sigh. Dated a lovely jewish girl years ago aswell.
I seem to remember you calling South Koreans ''Klingons''.
Would you care to elaborate on that? Was that just a throw away line or something...deeper?
Others seem to despise the Chinese on here, some dislike muslims....but why should i care i guess.
Also, can you explain to me why the richest nations on the planet have built the Israeli military into one of the most powerful armies on the planet? And how does that sit with your strong views on global inequality/the system is rigged....and Klingons?
I could probably get away with posting anything outrageous about Muslims, but certain things are obviously off limits.
Like the SS thread when you started off by calling people cunts. We both know what really happened on that SS thread dont we? - You got owned by Raindog and you couldn't handle it could you?
You couldn't even bring yourself to concede on a single point. That's always been a problem of yours it seems.
Eventually you just threw your toys out of the pram and yelled - racism!!! He's a racist people. Help!!!! Then the thread turned into a sad pissing contest, but you are skilled enough with the written word to pull it off somewhat.
So Koreans are only Klingons on the golf course then, is that what you are saying?
Yes i do think it's possible for nations or religions to somewhat control the world (and imo you can only do that with money rather than just force these days), and we are not in the Middle East to take care of the locals are we. Me saying that Jews possibly control important parts of the banking system is no more racist than you implying Jews might be genetically superior to other races. Cough cough..
But basically there's no point debating with you as it's never a debate. It will never end. We will go round in circles.
Racist!!!! He's racist!!!! Cunts!!! fuck!!!....piss....win!!! win!!! i must win by any means....Jews....oh yeah jews.....where was i?
Anyway, i'll let you have the last word...
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This whole affair has little to do with antisemitism, there's a bigger picture. The Labour Party has been ruptured in recent years by the split between the Blairites that took over in the late 90's and the old guard of Socialists that Corbyn and Livingston represent. This nonsense about antisemitism is just designed to malign the old guard and sideline them until the party splits or the Blairites can take control again.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
There was also a show on tv the other night that explained how there has been a mass exodus of Jewish people from Paris and France in general to London due to them fearing for their lives due to Muslim anti-senitism. So much so that in many synagogues in London have reported that French has become the predominant language. No doubt you will completely ignore this and call me a bigotty bigotty bigot yet again for reporting the findings of a tv show?scobienz wrote:Jock Jock wrote:Bigotey this , bigotey that, bigotey bigotey boo the mouse ran up the shoe. Bigotey bigotey boo. Bigotey bollocksy boo.scobienz wrote:
And of course Jock Jock can't resist jumping in with his usual bigoted bollocks.
There has been too much of this bigoted bullshit on 440 over the last few months. It's not welcome here.
I wasn't even bothering on this thread, just taking the piss really.
Now for some facts;
1) Muslim people generally do not like Jewish people at all. Indeed they are often taught not to.
2) The lady labour MP at the centre of this anti-semitism row is Muslim.
They are facts, please explain to me how those statements are bigoted?
Those things aren't bigoted. What is a clear sign of your inate bigotism is your obsessive posting about the subject and pushing your anti Muslim agenda and your ridiculous assertions that all Muslims are out to get you, even those who (according to you) pretend to be moderate.
And there is no place for it here. Take it to Britain First forum.
By the way, there was a news piece in the U.K. last night where they interviewed her predominantly Muslim constituents. They all said she deserved the ban and her comments were anti-Semitic. This was young Muslims being talked to.
But of course they are just lying. They really wanted to cut the interviewers head off.
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As per my explanation to springrain, there is no problem with observing things like "there are a disproportionate number of Jews working in the financial services sector" for example. That's obvious and there are easily explainable historical and cultural reasons for this. What is NOT acceptable and Anti-Semitic is to speak of "Jewish groups" who control the financial systems. This implies conspiracy and coordination between a distinct group of people who have joined together because of a shared religion or race and are working together towards a goal common to the group instead of as a company or an individual or whatever else comprises normal commerce. Why does the religion of the people working in the financial sector have any bearing on the discussion? Similarly, why does the religion of the majority of of people working in the arms industry NOT matter and does NOT come up regularly in discussions about war? It is at the very least unconscious bias. If you recognize this and correct your own personal bias then good on you and you'll not hear a word from me. But keep fighting for your right to air your prejudice on the forum and I'll continue to call you and vlad and anyone else who does so an Anti-Semite. It's easy to stop - simply stop writing anti-semitic things.spitthedog wrote:Ahhh. He we go, the abuse again.Jacked Camry wrote:I asked you a very specific question based on some very specific words that you wrote. Who are the "Jewish Groups" that you refer to, the ones who act in concert to rig financial markets? It's not unreasonable to ask for clarification. Go on then, explain yourself, you cowardly cunt.spitthedog wrote:Jacked Camry wrote:Let me disabuse you of that notion. Vlad most demonstrably Is an Anti-Semite and has proven it in dozens of posts written by his own hand. Anti-Semitism is clearly hatred against a particular race. So yes, he is a racist.spitthedog wrote:Well fair enough then Scooby. But nobody actually thinks Vlad is a racist now do they?scobienz wrote:Oh come on. That guy isn't a famous jewish gay journalist. He's a crackpot. Everyone starkmonster cites as a reliable source on here is a crackpot. Hell, starkmonster himself thinks starkmonster is a crackpot.
PS, Starkmonster's posts remind me so much of yours in so many ways.....Highly intelligent etc.
Could it be that.....
Now I had you on ignore as well from the same thread from the past, thanks for reminding me why. Glad you feel pride in identifying with these scum and are comfortable saying so publicly. It's far better for this to be out in the open so that any pretense of your viewpoint is removed.
Yes, Jews control the world's financial markets and no, that's not racist at all! You make me sick.
My grandmother was jewish and from a German family i might add. As you can imagine this was a real problem for me since the day i was born. Sigh. Dated a lovely jewish girl years ago aswell.
I seem to remember you calling South Koreans ''Klingons''.
Would you care to elaborate on that? Was that just a throw away line or something...deeper?
Others seem to despise the Chinese on here, some dislike muslims....but why should i care i guess.
Also, can you explain to me why the richest nations on the planet have built the Israeli military into one of the most powerful armies on the planet? And how does that sit with your strong views on global inequality/the system is rigged....and Klingons?
I could probably get away with posting anything outrageous about Muslims, but certain things are obviously off limits.
Like the SS thread when you started off by calling people cunts. We both know what really happened on that SS thread dont we? - You got owned by Raindog and you couldn't handle it could you?
You couldn't even bring yourself to concede on a single point. That's always been a problem of yours it seems.
Eventually you just threw your toys out of the pram and yelled - racism!!! He's a racist people. Help!!!! Then the thread turned into a sad pissing contest, but you are skilled enough with the written word to pull it off somewhat.
So Koreans are only Klingons on the golf course then, is that what you are saying?
Yes i do think it's possible for nations or religions to somewhat control the world (and imo you can only do that with money rather than just force these days), and we are not in the Middle East to take care of the locals are we. Me saying that Jews possibly control important parts of the banking system is no more racist than you implying Jews might be genetically superior to other races. Cough cough..
But basically there's no point debating with you as it's never a debate. It will never end. We will go round in circles.
Racist!!!! He's racist!!!! Cunts!!! fuck!!!....piss....win!!! win!!! i must win by any means....Jews....oh yeah jews.....where was i?
Anyway, i'll let you have the last word...
The show that I was referring to above is titled 'Never Again; Fear and Faith in Paris' and is available on the BBC iPlayer.
I think it is valid as it is about anti-Semitism in a European capital and so is this thread. Doubly valid as I am getting the bigotey bigotey boo bollocks yet again.
I am due back in Riyadh for a lengthy $tint soon, amazing how I survive really as I am such a bigotty bigot. (according to some narrow minded head in the sand fingers in their ears k440 members anyway)
I think it is valid as it is about anti-Semitism in a European capital and so is this thread. Doubly valid as I am getting the bigotey bigotey boo bollocks yet again.
I am due back in Riyadh for a lengthy $tint soon, amazing how I survive really as I am such a bigotty bigot. (according to some narrow minded head in the sand fingers in their ears k440 members anyway)
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I was a bit taken aback by the "control the financial systems" statement too. That's pretty much the same jaded line that has been thrown around since the middle ages.
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''Control'' was no doubt the wrong word, especially since it's such a sensitive issue i guess.
My initial post was more about a video where a Jewish journalist basically made the point that the top financial institutions are full of Jewish CEO's etc (The Fed was founded by a Jewish immigrant by the way, and the last 3 Fed Chairman - Jewish), but more importantly he was saying it's daft that you cannot talk openly about things like this without the fear of being labled an anti-semite.
Maybe a stupid video, but a few points were interesting i thought.
You'd have to be pretty naive not to think there's some serious money being donated to the Zionists in Israel over the years.
''During World War I, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour sent the Balfour Declaration of 1917 to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, that stated that Britain intended for the creation of a Jewish "national home" within the Palestinian Mandate''
I sort of think it's also partly the reason Ken Livingstone was suspended even if factually what he said just recently might have had some truth to it. He was going up against some massive donors there.
I saw that kind of thing being used in the SS thread and thought it was abit ugly, so it's more of a childish sticking yer tongue out at someone and calling them gay sort of thing on my part i guess.
My initial post was more about a video where a Jewish journalist basically made the point that the top financial institutions are full of Jewish CEO's etc (The Fed was founded by a Jewish immigrant by the way, and the last 3 Fed Chairman - Jewish), but more importantly he was saying it's daft that you cannot talk openly about things like this without the fear of being labled an anti-semite.
Maybe a stupid video, but a few points were interesting i thought.
You'd have to be pretty naive not to think there's some serious money being donated to the Zionists in Israel over the years.
''During World War I, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour sent the Balfour Declaration of 1917 to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, that stated that Britain intended for the creation of a Jewish "national home" within the Palestinian Mandate''
I sort of think it's also partly the reason Ken Livingstone was suspended even if factually what he said just recently might have had some truth to it. He was going up against some massive donors there.
I saw that kind of thing being used in the SS thread and thought it was abit ugly, so it's more of a childish sticking yer tongue out at someone and calling them gay sort of thing on my part i guess.
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