Anti-semitism in the British Labour Party
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Hahaha, JC has returned to the racist slur, despite a mod requesting he stop. What a child.
The logic: you hate Netanyahu and his goons, ergo you hate all Jews. Even the ones you are friends with. Retard.
I suppose, if it were true, it would be better than supporting Nazi-style murderers who boast about killing 2 Arabs with one bullet when they shoot a pregnant woman...or a minister who calls them animals, or a recent rally by thousands in Israel, allowed by the govt, calling for the killing of all Arabs.
That's different. Them be brown/of another religion. Sounds legit.
The logic: you hate Netanyahu and his goons, ergo you hate all Jews. Even the ones you are friends with. Retard.
I suppose, if it were true, it would be better than supporting Nazi-style murderers who boast about killing 2 Arabs with one bullet when they shoot a pregnant woman...or a minister who calls them animals, or a recent rally by thousands in Israel, allowed by the govt, calling for the killing of all Arabs.
That's different. Them be brown/of another religion. Sounds legit.
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Yup. It gets used on fora too, by unethical people. Also to try and invalidate any legitimate criticism.Lucky Lucan wrote:This whole affair has little to do with antisemitism, there's a bigger picture. The Labour Party has been ruptured in recent years by the split between the Blairites that took over in the late 90's and the old guard of Socialists that Corbyn and Livingston represent. This nonsense about antisemitism is just designed to malign the old guard and sideline them until the party splits or the Blairites can take control again.
re racism, there are a significant number of black Jews around, but the majority are not black. So the term anti-Semitism might possibly be correct (even if Arabs are also Semites), but racist? Meh.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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Actually, I'm not saying that at all (referring to the capitals). I don't think that the ordinary people who work at & manage these companies are doing that. Just as in politics, religion, social ideology and so on, the vast overwhelming majority are unaware of such things going on. I also believe that the ultra-right Zionists (as opposed to those who merely support the idea of a homeland) are but one strand in the overall conspiracy, which does include other strands that hide behind different ethnicity, religious masks & so on. My hobby of the past few years has been trying to unravel these strands and seek the common origin, if there is one. So I will concede that point about so-called Christian groups also being in the mix - yes, I do believe so, at the very top, hidden behind the chain of command that we see.Jacked Camry wrote: However, you are lacking in some basic logic. Allow me to point out the error of the conflation of Goldman Sachs et al and "Jewish groups controlling the world's financial systems".
Can I say that "Christian groups" are primarily responsible for the global arms race, that Christians control the spending of most governments (given the large proportion of funds being spent on weapons produced by these companies), that Christians act in closed conspiracy to incite and implement wars in order to perpetuate this profitable global market in weapons and death?
This is patently absurd, although perhaps you're nodding and going "yes, that's the case" given that you're a believer in Lizard people. But most people would think it crazy to assume that just because most people who manage and work at these companies are Christian that they are engaging in some widespread religious-based conspiracy. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT GOLDMAN SACHS ET AL
Let me repeat, though, that the hunger for power of these strands merely uses 'Christian', 'Jewish' or 'Muslim' as covers to stir up hatred, ill-feeling and, they hope, as much negative emotion and violence as they can.I think you're making the mistake of thinking that it's religion/ideology/ethnicity vying for power-these are just fronts.
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The only thing the Waffen SS thread showed was that you are a pathetic, whiny revisionist/propagandist with an aversion to empirical reality. Jews should absolutely be offended that Israel has taken on many of the traits of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, as should people of every single religion/ethnicity. It is indeed grossly offensive. You site a lack of parallels between the two, which would have to completely ignore...Jacked Camry wrote:
Rather than repeat this shite for the hundredth time, can we start referencing the Waffen SS thread for the inevitable arguments? There was a long section about why it's not appropriate to compare Israel to Nazi Germany and why Anti-Semites particularly love to do so despite the obvious lack of parallels or proportion. You see, it causes maximum offense to the Jews which is the main goal and contributes to their demonization.
The fact both states are/were driven by warped ideology
Both states are/were led by hawkish right-wing fascists
Both states indulge(d) in large-scale forced population transfers
Both states indulge(d) in ghettoisation
Both states illegally expropriate(d) land and property from the minority
Both states attempt(ed) the economic strangulation of the minority
Both states tolerate(d) illegal acts against the minority with impunity
Both states limit(ed) the movements of the minority
Both states routinely imprison(ed) the minority, including children, without charge
Both states show(ed) flagrant disregard for international and humanitarian law
Both states intentionally destroy(ed) the livelihoods of the minority
Both states are/were irredentist in nature
Both states practise(d) a two-tier system of rights and justice
Both states carry/carried out extra-judicial assassinations of civilians
Both states official policy is/was to subjugate the minority
Both states hold/held rallies where thousands of people chant(ed) for the death of the minority
Both states have/had politicians who openly call(ed) for discrimination/expulsion of the minority
Both states use(d) chemical weapons against the minority
Both states are/were relentless propagandists
Both states implement(ed) business restrictions on the minority
Both states practise(d) ethnic cleansing
Both states carry/carried out massacres against the minority
Both states use(d) hugely disproportionate levels of force against the minority
Both states celebrate(d) the murders of minority civilians
Both states are/were despised as the international pariahs that they are/were
But as you say, other than all that, there is an obvious lack of parallels between the two
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1. Lucky Lucan's point is a fantastic one. I've carefully watched how Corbyn has been attacked by the UK media for months. But he has acquitted himself very well, with sincerity & dignity.Just as he was rising in ratings, they needed to throw a spanner in the works. Again, he has responded well. The establishment seem very wary of him and are scared of a potential Labour govt under him.vladimir wrote:Yup. It gets used on fora too, by unethical people. Also to try and invalidate any legitimate criticism.Lucky Lucan wrote:This whole affair has little to do with antisemitism, there's a bigger picture. The Labour Party has been ruptured in recent years by the split between the Blairites that took over in the late 90's and the old guard of Socialists that Corbyn and Livingston represent. This nonsense about antisemitism is just designed to malign the old guard and sideline them until the party splits or the Blairites can take control again.
re racism, there are a significant number of black Jews around, but the majority are not black. So the term anti-Semitism might possibly be correct (even if Arabs are also Semites), but racist? Meh.
2. vlad's point is also extremely important. The darker-skinned Jews, from Ethiopia, Yemen & so on are the ones with the most legitimate ancient claim to what I shall call 'Biblical Lands', The European Jews are descended from converts to Judaism in the 8th century. I do not mean any ethnic slur by that - it is no more innocuous than saying that Britain should or shouldn't rule Aquitaine. Ultimately, there shouldn't be any need for boundaries - it is our earth. No one owns it.
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Hmmmm... The Economist versus NO JOKE DAVE. Well, what more can you say? You should write your screed to the letters to the editor. A careful analysis like that would embarrass them severely. No doubt they"d give you a column based on such cogent observations.
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But APART from that, what has the Israeli government ever done to be likened?...cue Monty Python sketchNO JOKE DAVE wrote:The only thing the Waffen SS thread showed was that you are a pathetic, whiny revisionist/propagandist with an aversion to empirical reality. Jews should absolutely be offended that Israel has taken on many of the traits of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, as should people of every single religion/ethnicity. It is indeed grossly offensive. You site a lack of parallels between the two, which would have to completely ignore...Jacked Camry wrote:
Rather than repeat this shite for the hundredth time, can we start referencing the Waffen SS thread for the inevitable arguments? There was a long section about why it's not appropriate to compare Israel to Nazi Germany and why Anti-Semites particularly love to do so despite the obvious lack of parallels or proportion. You see, it causes maximum offense to the Jews which is the main goal and contributes to their demonization.
The fact both states are/were driven by warped ideology
Both states are/were led by hawkish right-wing fascists
Both states indulge(d) in large-scale forced population transfers
Both states indulge(d) in ghettoisation
Both states illegally expropriate(d) land and property from the minority
Both states attempt(ed) the economic strangulation of the minority
Both states tolerate(d) illegal acts against the minority with impunity
Both states limit(ed) the movements of the minority
Both states routinely imprison(ed) the minority, including children, without charge
Both states show(ed) flagrant disregard for international and humanitarian law
Both states intentionally destroy(ed) the livelihoods of the minority
Both states are/were irredentist in nature
Both states practise(d) a two-tier system of rights and justice
Both states carry/carried out extra-judicial assassinations of civilians
Both states official policy is/was to subjugate the minority
Both states hold/held rallies where thousands of people chant(ed) for the death of the minority
Both states have/had politicians who openly call(ed) for discrimination/expulsion of the minority
Both states use(d) chemical weapons against the minority
Both states are/were relentless propagandists
Both states implement(ed) business restrictions on the minority
Both states practise(d) ethnic cleansing
Both states carry/carried out massacres against the minority
Both states use(d) hugely disproportionate levels of force against the minority
Both states celebrate(d) the murders of minority civilians
Both states are/were despised as the international pariahs that they are/were
But as you say, other than all that, there is an obvious lack of parallels between the two
Explain how my intense dislike of Netanyahu's government (and their sympathisizers) equates to demonisation of all Jews. Nobody needs to demonise the former, the truth of what they does an excellent job of it. Maybe ithey're self-hating, je ne sais pas.
Unless you're conflating oppressive Israeli regimes with Judaism...but wouldn't that make you anti-Semitic?
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
Wow, Chavez is back.springrain wrote:
2. vlad's point is also extremely important. The darker-skinned Jews, from Ethiopia, Yemen & so on are the ones with the most legitimate ancient claim to what I shall call 'Biblical Lands', The European Jews are descended from converts to Judaism in the 8th century. I do not mean any ethnic slur by that - it is no more innocuous than saying that Britain should or shouldn't rule Aquitaine. Ultimately, there shouldn't be any need for boundaries - it is our earth. No one owns it.
No pal, the Ashkenazi are all descended from Khazars theory has been thoroughly debunked by genetic research. Any Khazarian contribution to Ashkenazi DNA is so small to be undiscoverable. On the other hand a number of recent studies determined genetic links to the Levant to be indisputable. A convenient theory it was but no. Best keep up.
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As usual, unable to face up to reality you resort to the weasel words that typify you. Bagehot is an opinion column, and the author is free to express any opinion he chooses... and the author just happens to be Jeremy Cliffe, a Jew. An impartial arbiter he most certainly is not.Jacked Camry wrote:Hmmmm... The Economist versus NO JOKE DAVE. Well, what more can you say? You should write your screed to the letters to the editor. A careful analysis like that would embarrass them severely. No doubt they"d give you a column based on such cogent observations.
Nobody is arguing that the Israeli regime is as brutal as the Nazi regime, but the similarities between the two are far greater than the differences. And the similarities I highlighted can all be easily verified, as deep down you are well aware.
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Relevant link:
If the world's most powerful nation could sell out its educational system for money, why should anybody be considered above reproach?
If the world's most powerful nation could sell out its educational system for money, why should anybody be considered above reproach?
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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I knew someone would try that one. Actually, the opposite is true - DNA links are conclusive. Moreover, it is the obvious genetic traits, which are clearly visible, that prove the Askenazim notion. It's no surprise that the Brotherhood do their best to cover this up as it is their most obvious weak link.jm wrote:Wow, Chavez is back.springrain wrote:
2. vlad's point is also extremely important. The darker-skinned Jews, from Ethiopia, Yemen & so on are the ones with the most legitimate ancient claim to what I shall call 'Biblical Lands', The European Jews are descended from converts to Judaism in the 8th century. I do not mean any ethnic slur by that - it is no more innocuous than saying that Britain should or shouldn't rule Aquitaine. Ultimately, there shouldn't be any need for boundaries - it is our earth. No one owns it.
No pal, the Ashkenazi are all descended from Khazars theory has been thoroughly debunked by genetic research. Any Khazarian contribution to Ashkenazi DNA is so small to be undiscoverable. On the other hand a number of recent studies determined genetic links to the Levant to be indisputable. A convenient theory it was but no. Best keep up.
Just as they come up with some implausible 'debunking' of Benjamin Freedman, Woodrow Wilson's confessions, JFK's speech and so on. They try to show that Franklin wasn't a satanist. Nope. We're onto them and they know it!
I'm surprised that you, as a gentle and mild man, are so ready to spring to their defence. Have you heard any of Ben Freedman's speeches, jm?
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Sorry, I'm not inclined to engage with someone whose response to scientific findings is "it's obvious". If someone else is interested in references I'm happy to dig them up.springrain wrote:I knew someone would try that one. Actually, the opposite is true - DNA links are conclusive. Moreover, it is the obvious genetic traits, which are clearly visible, that prove the Askenazim notion. It's no surprise that the Brotherhood do their best to cover this up as it is their most obvious weak link.jm wrote:Wow, Chavez is back.springrain wrote:
2. vlad's point is also extremely important. The darker-skinned Jews, from Ethiopia, Yemen & so on are the ones with the most legitimate ancient claim to what I shall call 'Biblical Lands', The European Jews are descended from converts to Judaism in the 8th century. I do not mean any ethnic slur by that - it is no more innocuous than saying that Britain should or shouldn't rule Aquitaine. Ultimately, there shouldn't be any need for boundaries - it is our earth. No one owns it.
No pal, the Ashkenazi are all descended from Khazars theory has been thoroughly debunked by genetic research. Any Khazarian contribution to Ashkenazi DNA is so small to be undiscoverable. On the other hand a number of recent studies determined genetic links to the Levant to be indisputable. A convenient theory it was but no. Best keep up.
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Cool, if you want to back out like that, let's hope someone takes you up on your offer. I am expecting some references other than those from the Hebrew University, though. I already have mine lined up. Dr Eran Elhaik, Dr Oppenheim to name a couple.jm wrote: Sorry, I'm not inclined to engage with someone whose response to scientific findings is "it's obvious". If someone else is interested in references I'm happy to dig them up.
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I wish I knew who The Brotherhood is that springrain is talking about. And I want to know who the 'We' is in his phrase 'We're onto them, and they know it."
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