Brexit: the £ billion lie
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All of this fighting and hostility has got me wondering what an all out war between equality loving liberal globalists (aka the regressive left) and freedom loving libertarian anti-globalists would look like. In a childish -- who would win in a fight between a tiger and a grizzly bear -- kind of way.
I'm think it would be a slaughter of biblical proportions, with the very smartest and most stupid people in society on one team and everyone in between on the other. I just have a vision of hordes of knuckle dragging football hooligans being coordinated by some Aspberger's victim that graduated Harvard at eleven .VS California's second transgender bathroom division armed to the teeth with placards, dreadlocks and strong sense of social justice.
I'm think it would be a slaughter of biblical proportions, with the very smartest and most stupid people in society on one team and everyone in between on the other. I just have a vision of hordes of knuckle dragging football hooligans being coordinated by some Aspberger's victim that graduated Harvard at eleven .VS California's second transgender bathroom division armed to the teeth with placards, dreadlocks and strong sense of social justice.
starkmonster wrote:All of this fighting and hostility has got me wondering what an all out war between equality loving liberal globalists (aka the regressive left) and freedom loving libertarian anti-globalists would look like.
I'm sure that's all in jest, but I do find the tendency of Leave campaigners generally to label those who supported Remain as 'equality loving liberal globalists - aka the regressive left' quite simplistic. It's something you have done a couple of times, calling Remain supporters urban university educated liberals over the weekend for example.
I supported the Remain option. That makes me neither a liberal nor regressively left. I have voted conservative for the last three decades and am passionately patriotic. And I'm as far away from being a middle class urbanite as you can get.
Similarly, portraying Leave supporters as all right wing thugs wearing England shirts is simplistic. Many of them are university-educated urbanites themselves, rather like your good self
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Interestingly, and I don't know whether it's a reflection of the demographic I normally associate with, but I find the remain campaigners to be far more vocal, both pre- and post-referendum.
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Yes, I noticed this before and after the vote. Not so much on here, more on Facebook where many of my old friends in the UK were 'discussing' the issues. The Remainers, mostly professionals in Cambridge and London, were far more likely to fling insults around, use bad language, belittle those with opposing views.Starving Pelican wrote:Interestingly, and I don't know whether it's a reflection of the demographic I normally associate with, but I find the remain campaigners to be far more vocal, both pre- and post-referendum.
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I think there's a tendency for middle England conservatives to be less vocal. I'm from one of the safest Conservative seats (perhaps the safest) in the country, John Major was our MP and lived a mile or so up the road. Come election time, 'vote labour' signs in people's windows would far out number 'vote Conservative' signs but Labour of course never got a look in on poling day.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Yes, you've been quiet for your support of 'Leave' on FB...slavedog wrote:Yes, I noticed this before and after the vote. Not so much on here, more on Facebook where many of my old friends in the UK were 'discussing' the issues. The Remainers, mostly professionals in Cambridge and London, were far more likely to fling insults around, use bad language, belittle those with opposing views.Starving Pelican wrote:Interestingly, and I don't know whether it's a reflection of the demographic I normally associate with, but I find the remain campaigners to be far more vocal, both pre- and post-referendum.
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I think there's a tendency for middle England conservatives to be less vocal. I'm from one of the safest Conservative seats (perhaps the safest) in the country, John Major was our MP and lived a mile or so up the road. Come election time, 'vote labour' signs in people's windows would far out number 'vote Conservative' signs but Labour of course never got a look in on poling day.
It's actually been amusing to see you and logos go back and forth though
Believe me, that's nothing more than a bit of chummy banter along side some of the exchanges I have witnessed over the last couple of weeks.Miguelito wrote:Yes, you've been quiet for your support of 'Leave' on FB...slavedog wrote:Yes, I noticed this before and after the vote. Not so much on here, more on Facebook where many of my old friends in the UK were 'discussing' the issues. The Remainers, mostly professionals in Cambridge and London, were far more likely to fling insults around, use bad language, belittle those with opposing views.Starving Pelican wrote:Interestingly, and I don't know whether it's a reflection of the demographic I normally associate with, but I find the remain campaigners to be far more vocal, both pre- and post-referendum.
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I think there's a tendency for middle England conservatives to be less vocal. I'm from one of the safest Conservative seats (perhaps the safest) in the country, John Major was our MP and lived a mile or so up the road. Come election time, 'vote labour' signs in people's windows would far out number 'vote Conservative' signs but Labour of course never got a look in on poling day.
It's actually been amusing to see you and logos go back and forth though
On a positive note, it has got me chatting with a few old friends who I may never have spoken with again otherwise - those old school chums who you remember liking enough to become FB friends with but haven't seen in twenty-five years and have no idea what to say to them.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Jock Jock then made the effort to clarify the nuances of "let's". Lots of examples were given, and a renowned English grammar text was referenced.Jock Jock wrote:
Here's the wording;
'We send the EU 350 million a week
Let's fund the NHS instead'
How on Earth it can be construed as a promise is beyond me; this is a promise 'Vote for us and we will spend the EU money on the NHS'
And Jock Jock contrasted this with promises, when the word "will" is used.
The official press release uses the word "will" seven times in the section "If we Vote Leave...". (Every sentence in this section begins with the words "We will".)Stagger Lee wrote:
Below is the wording from the 'Vote Leave' official press release published as a pamphlet distributed across the UK to all households by The Electoral Commission.
"If we Vote Leave...We will take back control. We will stop sending £350 million of our money to Brussels every week and instead spend it on our priorities like the NHS."
@ Jock Jock
Q: To you, do those statements sound like suggestions ?? Or pledges / promises ??
I'm wondering why that was the point when Jock Jock suggested "Let's just fuck it off."Jock Jock wrote:Let's just fuck it off.
It wasn't a promise, there were no lies, but it could have been construed as being misleading if you don't see the real message which is clearly all about taking back control and being able to spend our money where we want to and making our own choices.
I was getting bored with the tedium of arguing with people who refuse to accept dictionary definitions of words and phrases.Stagger Lee wrote:Jock Jock then made the effort to clarify the nuances of "let's". Lots of examples were given, and a renowned English grammar text was referenced.Jock Jock wrote:
Here's the wording;
'We send the EU 350 million a week
Let's fund the NHS instead'
How on Earth it can be construed as a promise is beyond me; this is a promise 'Vote for us and we will spend the EU money on the NHS'
And Jock Jock contrasted this with promises, when the word "will" is used.
The official press release uses the word "will" seven times in the section "If we Vote Leave...". (Every sentence in this section begins with the words "We will".)Stagger Lee wrote:
Below is the wording from the 'Vote Leave' official press release published as a pamphlet distributed across the UK to all households by The Electoral Commission.
"If we Vote Leave...We will take back control. We will stop sending £350 million of our money to Brussels every week and instead spend it on our priorities like the NHS."
@ Jock Jock
Q: To you, do those statements sound like suggestions ?? Or pledges / promises ??
I'm wondering why that was the point when Jock Jock suggested "Let's just fuck it off."Jock Jock wrote:Let's just fuck it off.
It wasn't a promise, there were no lies, but it could have been construed as being misleading if you don't see the real message which is clearly all about taking back control and being able to spend our money where we want to and making our own choices.
So I put forward the idea of ending the discussion. Go argue with Miriam Webster or Oxford University or something. Start a petition so that the Oxford dictionary change's its definition of 'let's' to one of a promise being made or something.
I'm gunna have a read through all the exciting new trade deals that seem to be piling up.
I think I'm more inclined to take Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England's, view over Jock Jock's. I could be biased.
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No, that's not my point. I am NOT disputing any of the definitions you have presented, Jock Jock....Jock Jock wrote:
I was getting bored with the tedium of arguing with people who refuse to accept dictionary definitions of words and phrases.
So I put forward the idea of ending the discussion. Go argue with Miriam Webster or Oxford University or something. Start a petition so that the Oxford dictionary change's its definition of 'let's' to one of a promise being made or something.
Knock yourself out, take Lee Carney's word over The Oxford Dictionary. Why not?scobienz wrote:I think I'm more inclined to take Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England's, view over Jock Jock's. I could be biased.
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