Is religion bollocks?
Is religion bollocks?
Kind of a follow on from another thread which came up with an interesting question or two;
Overall has religion been a good thing for humanity or done more harm than good?
And what of nowadays, is it declining? Should it be something left in the past as it already has been by so many people?
There was talk of tally charts and shit, so to follow on from the other thread;
Three things that religion has done for us; Mayan Sacrifices, Spanish Inquisition and the Holocaust.
The title reads 'Is religion bollocks?' Isn't meant to mean are the individual beliefs of religions nonsense, more the whole thing, the whole concept of it.
Overall has religion been a good thing for humanity or done more harm than good?
And what of nowadays, is it declining? Should it be something left in the past as it already has been by so many people?
There was talk of tally charts and shit, so to follow on from the other thread;
Three things that religion has done for us; Mayan Sacrifices, Spanish Inquisition and the Holocaust.
The title reads 'Is religion bollocks?' Isn't meant to mean are the individual beliefs of religions nonsense, more the whole thing, the whole concept of it.
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Which Holocaust? There have been many, many Holocausts in History.Jock Jock wrote: Three things that religion has done for us; Mayan Sacrifices, Spanish Inquisition and the Holocaust.
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I think it is a positive force for some and many people are comforted by it.
I have no idea if it is bollocks or a good thing overall.
perhaps, it's like the gun argument... is it people or is it guns that are the problem? is it religion or is it people that are the problem?
I reckon it's the people that are the problem.
I have no idea if it is bollocks or a good thing overall.
perhaps, it's like the gun argument... is it people or is it guns that are the problem? is it religion or is it people that are the problem?
I reckon it's the people that are the problem.
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Complete and utter bollocks, a way of controlling the masses, a crutch for the feeble minded, a way of extracting and concentrating wealth.
It's no good trying to ban it, it needs somehow to be uninvented.
It's no good trying to ban it, it needs somehow to be uninvented.
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The Holocaust - by which I presume JJ means the nazi attempt to wipe out the Jewish race - was nothing to do with religion and everything to do with racial hatred.springrain wrote:Which Holocaust? There have been many, many Holocausts in History.Jock Jock wrote: Three things that religion has done for us; Mayan Sacrifices, Spanish Inquisition and the Holocaust.
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Even though I wasn't brought up in a religious family and have never believed in any religion, I wouldn't be too quick to discount it all as "bollocks". If it provides solace to some and a certain amount of social cohesion then it serves a purpose.
The problem I see is that as many move away from established religions, a lot ( and I'm not talking about us intellectual giants here) just get into even stupider shit. They start off believing in Pokemon or Gwyneth Paltrow and end up thinking Heaven's Gate or Aum Shinrikyo make a lot of sense.
The problem I see is that as many move away from established religions, a lot ( and I'm not talking about us intellectual giants here) just get into even stupider shit. They start off believing in Pokemon or Gwyneth Paltrow and end up thinking Heaven's Gate or Aum Shinrikyo make a lot of sense.
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Sums up my position pretty well. Thanks Violet.violet wrote:I think it is a positive force for some and many people are comforted by it.
I have no idea if it is bollocks or a good thing overall.
perhaps, it's like the gun argument... is it people or is it guns that are the problem? is it religion or is it people that are the problem?
I reckon it's the people that are the problem.
I think this is a futile argument and as such won't contribute after this post.
Someone lists all the atrocities done in the name of religion, others defend it by listing atrocities not related to religion and stating the good brought to the world by religion which is responded by a list of good done by non-religious people. And round and round it goes.
And whilst I am sympathetic to many religions I can acknowledge horrible things have been done in their name. Events like the aforementioned Holocaust may not be completely attributed to religion but certainly have a religious aspect.
To try to label them as all good or all bad is bollocks.
As violet says. People have often been the problem.
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Well it's lucky we have Skynet arriving shortly to sort that issue out.Khmerhamster wrote:People have often been the problem.
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Now that statement is bollocksJock Jock wrote:
Overall has religion been a good thing for humanity
I think the following link and two speakers cover most of main points with clarity.
Were you Christened Lucky Lucan ?Lucky Lucan wrote:Even though I wasn't brought up in a religious family and have never believed in any religion.
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I'm afraid that is not so. It was to do with neither of those things. It was a horrible, horrible sacrifice made so that the super-rich (I am not taking about a general dislike of the rich - but a concerted effort by the trillion-dollar-babies) could create a situation which would generate enormous sympathy for their plan to foment further discontent, leading to WW III.alanclarke72 wrote:The Holocaust - by which I presume JJ means the nazi attempt to wipe out the Jewish race - was nothing to do with religion and everything to do with racial hatred.springrain wrote:Which Holocaust? There have been many, many Holocausts in History.Jock Jock wrote: Three things that religion has done for us; Mayan Sacrifices, Spanish Inquisition and the Holocaust.
Of course, alan, going by your recent posts, you are going to cry 'nonsense!' and claim that I am wrong. But I respectfully ask you to at least consider that this is certainly plausible. It will require discarding many mainstream interpretations of the 'truth,' but the masters behind the camera lenses - the fat little upstarts - do make mistakes, and it becomes quite clear that this has been going on for a much longer time than we realise. It can be traced beyond even panem et circenses. The world is a stage for this concept.
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If I may add one little thought to this rather long post - in these troublesome times, the worst we can do is carry hatred in our hearts. I know you don't, so I am sure you agree with what I am saying. At least, the hatred is a waste of energy bit!
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Through logical thought there is no way you can arrive to the conclusion of some magic man in the sky, and even further that your magic man is the correct one while your neighbors magic man is a false god.
I conclude that the religious people are not capable of logical thought, and some are just plain crazy.
I conclude that the religious people are not capable of logical thought, and some are just plain crazy.
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Mutual exclusion is the hallmark of the Abrahamic religions....a local desert genie elevating itself to some sort of universal creator. It doesn't fool me, nor did it fool the Gnostics. There are a lot more things to believe in beyond that sociopath.GMJS-440 wrote:Through logical thought there is no way you can arrive to the conclusion of some magic man in the sky, and even further that your magic man is the correct one while your neighbors magic man is a false god.
I conclude that the religious people are not capable of logical thought, and some are just plain crazy.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Lol
I thought Alan was stupid, and he is because Judaism isn't a race, but SpringRain takes the biscuit.
Did you know Germany were trying to speed up the executions when they realized they were going to lose the war?
Jews weren't even gassed until years into the war.
Please explain in more detail how it was designed to start the war?
As to the initial question, it's perfectly reasonable to cling to something thousands and thousands of years old in this day and age. What's changed?
I thought Alan was stupid, and he is because Judaism isn't a race, but SpringRain takes the biscuit.
Did you know Germany were trying to speed up the executions when they realized they were going to lose the war?
Jews weren't even gassed until years into the war.
Please explain in more detail how it was designed to start the war?
As to the initial question, it's perfectly reasonable to cling to something thousands and thousands of years old in this day and age. What's changed?