NHS bars obese patients from treatment
Should they also ban or charge a surcharge on hillwalkers as they are always breaking their legs n shit
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Indeed, or idiots who get lost hiking, or clowns who go fishing and run out of fuel, necessitating long searches in dangerous weather?Jock Jock wrote:Should they also ban or charge a surcharge on hillwalkers as they are always breaking their legs n shit
I disagree somewhat with the hoity-toity crowd who blame obesity on the fat 100%.
People on here often complain that Khmers put sugar in all their food.
Most of us grew up having breakfast cereal with sugar for breakfast, toast with jam, syrup, fruit juices, cold meats, sauces etc, sweets and desserts, cakes, biscuits, tinned foods, etc.
All loaded with sugar, except cold cuts and tinned foods, and they're loaded with sodium.
It's common knowledge that many food manufacturers in the US introduced corn sugars and fructose in an attempt to addict consumers to their food. The reason they did this was because your body doesn't recognise that you have had enough because the fructose has blockers in it, so you eat more.
I agree that people have a choice, but this kind of deliberate engineering borders on criminal. You surround people with unhealthy food from birth, the lobbied government passes laws to allow manufacturers to get around labelling requirements, and then the same government whinges that people are obese? Joke.
Have you seen the kind of crap that most schools sell on their campuses? No legislation there, no sirree, we'll wait till they're obese and then we'll act.
The UK is a bit better than most, but still needs to be proactive rather than reactive.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
The first mistake we made was thinking eating fat = becoming/being fat. So we went about removing fat from our diet (the only one that has any actual evidence for being bad for us in trans fats). That left our food without flavour so sugar was added to make it tasty/sell. Of course the sugar industry is huge and has a powerful lobby.
There was a half decent program about it http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cxvf ... f-3_school
There was a half decent program about it http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cxvf ... f-3_school
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The biggest contributor to obesity today is not what we eat or what vlad's villainous manufacturers put in food (presumably in some kind of conspiracy to get people fat) but what we don't do - our inactivity. As kids we ate crap but we were active. Today kids sit on their arses all day watching tv or taking selfies. Our parents are even worse crap, but they worked hard and walked and labored. Now those same parents are flat out on the sofa, barely with the energy to lift an arse cheek to fart.
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There is no conspiracy to make them fat. There IS a conspiracy to make them eat more because additives block fulness recognition. The obesity is a result, but it's not what they are primarily aiming for.alanclarke72 wrote:The biggest contributor to obesity today is not what we eat or what vlad's villainous manufacturers put in food (presumably in some kind of conspiracy to get people fat)
Hilarious that you cite TV as an obvious cause )I agree, btw), but ignore food manufacturers adding addictive chemicals, LOL
Do you think there are more fast/crappy foods around nowadays than when you were a kid?
Yes, obviously exercise plays a huge part, but it didn't perhaps occur to you that a kid 35 years ago on an average diet could eat and exercise for, say, an hour a day and stay fit, but that nowadays 2-3 hours would be required?
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Is that why when one opens a tube of Pringles with the girfriend in front of the TV they are finished in under 10 minutes? Once you pop you can't stopvladimir wrote: There IS a conspiracy to make them eat more because additives block fulness recognition.
"I don't care what the people are thinking, i ain't drunk i'm just drinking"
A mixture of hyper-palatibility and non-nourishment. Eat as many calories as are in a tube of Pringles but in eggs, you'll be absolutely satiated either before you finished or immediately after. And it's not because they digest slowly, eggs are the most easily digested and fully absorbed (non-liquid) food there is. It's because they're packed with all crucial nutrients (except VitC, chickens don't seem to need it or make their own), non-trans fats and protein, all satiating one properly and in harmony with having nourished fully. Addictive is a loaded term as addictive drugs activate much the same reward circuitry as any food will when you're hungry. Vlad is right that HFCS disrupts the satiation signaling even worse than sugar does, but sugar was never that great at it to begin with. But looking at this chart, he may have a point that that stuff (introduced in the mid-70s IIRC) made an already existing, increasingly worrying trend skyrocket to epidemic proportions:spitthedog wrote:Is that why when one opens a tube of Pringles with the girfriend in front of the TV they are finished in under 10 minutes? Once you pop you can't stop
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Just wanted to add this documentary here that I just watched. Whilst not specifically related to the NHS, it compliments the interesting conversation we were having re carbs, fats and sugar and the food pyramid.
The Magic Pill (Trailer)
The Magic Pill (2017) (Full Doc)
The Magic Pill (Trailer)
What if most of our modern diseases are really just symptoms of the same problem? The Magic Pill follows doctors, patients, scientists, chefs, farmers and journalists from around the globe who are combating illness through a paradigm shift in eating. And this simple change - embracing fat as our main fuel - is showing profound promise in improving the health of people, animals and the planet.
The Magic Pill (2017) (Full Doc)
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