Capitalism didnt in a huge way start communism? Did it just appear out of thin air for no reason then? Did if have no presedents,Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
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Thank you for taking the time to respond with some feedback. I agree with you that the bombings aided the rise of the KR but it's important to understand things within the context of the Cold War. I look forward to continuing robust discourse with you regarding these matters but I wonder if you might be trying to punch above your weight.Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
Blame the French then. If they had stood back and let the Thais and Vietnamese carve up Cambodia none if this need happen. Better yet, blame the British for letting the French take Indochina.Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
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That's pretty silly and facetious. Whether you like him or not (and I personally don't) he served in WW II, and was in combat at the Battle of the Bulge. He was also quite the lady's man, as evidenced by this famous quote:pablomiguelgarcia wrote:Can't we just all agree on the fact that Kissinger is not a very good looking guy? He'd probably get beaten up in the schoolyard or in jail and all that.
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so what must i understand? whats your point?Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:Thank you for taking the time to respond with some feedback. I agree with you that the bombings aided the rise of the KR but it's important to understand things within the context of the Cold War. I look forward to continuing robust discourse with you regarding these matters but I wonder if you might be trying to punch above your weight.Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
http://www.d.dccam.org/Projects/Genocid ... ention.pdfKhmer Rouge early propaganda campaigns suggested that Lon Nol and his lackeys
were responsible for the B-52 American bombardments of the Cambodian countryside. These
Cambodian recruits were angered over this mass destruction of their homes and the death of their
loved ones, inciting anger and resentment to those responsible. Khel, a survivor, discussed in an
interview, “the American B-52’s dropped too many bombs. The people became seized with painful
anger and wanted to fight against the Lon Nol regime”. 5
The Lon Nol government had made a deal
with the United States to bombard certain Vietnamese elements who were residing in bordering
Vietnam villages to drive out the North Vietnamese communists. Those aforementioned recruits,
who were economically impacted by the American bombings, which directly led to some 150,000
Cambodians alone perishing, and the displacement of thousands of others, were angered at these
imperialist dogs, America and the Lon Nol regime. Khmer Rouge propaganda efforts played on their
desire for revenge. A report compiled by the CIA’s (Central Intelligence Agency) Directorate of
Operations on May 2 1973, outlined how the Khmer rouge had launched a new recruitment strategy
in the Kandal province (Southwest) in which they exploited the damage done by the American
bombings, as the main theme of their new propaganda campaigns. Party cadres would go around
informing the people that the Lon Nol government was to blame, that Lon Nol himself requested
that the Americans bombard the Cambodian country side, responsible for the devastation and
suffering of innocent agrarian villagers. They would entice people to join the revolutionary army, as
the only way to stop this destruction. They need desperately to unite a revolutionary force large
enough to defeat Lon Nol.
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i wasnt blaming anyone? i was saying the American Bombing helped greatly in the rise of the Khmer rougejm wrote:Blame the French then. If they had stood back and let the Thais and Vietnamese carve up Cambodia none if this need happen. Better yet, blame the British for letting the French take Indochina.Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
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It was Visser who used the word blame.Jamie_Lambo wrote:i wasnt blaming anyone? i was saying the American Bombing helped greatly in the rise of the Khmer rougejm wrote:Blame the French then. If they had stood back and let the Thais and Vietnamese carve up Cambodia none if this need happen. Better yet, blame the British for letting the French take Indochina.Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
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Neh just back in the UK for a couple of months bored out my skullalanclarke72 wrote:Is Jamie Lambo the new Orange Dragon?
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ahh yeah gotcha,jm wrote:It was Visser who used the word blame.Jamie_Lambo wrote:i wasnt blaming anyone? i was saying the American Bombing helped greatly in the rise of the Khmer rougejm wrote:Blame the French then. If they had stood back and let the Thais and Vietnamese carve up Cambodia none if this need happen. Better yet, blame the British for letting the French take Indochina.Jamie_Lambo wrote:lolHot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:The rise of communism in this part of the world was a bit different than elsewhere in that is started with the disillusioned children of the elite. Don't forget that most of them were on scholarships in France, drinking coffee in cafes when they came under the influence of left-wing ideologies. Bit hard to pin that on the Americans.Visser wrote: The rise of the Khmer Rouge was a direct result of US actions in the region, pretty hard to not blame this on the US.
the americans didnt help create the Khmer Rouge, and their ideology, no, youre right,
but if you think the results of America bombing Cambodia had little effect in the rise of the Khmer Rouge you need to re think your argument
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The *wooshing* sound every time this discussion arises is how we as Americans just don't think about you (Brits) or our shared history. And smug 7th grade lectures about Abraham Lincoln, cringe-worthy washed up, has-been nostalgia for being a colonial power? You're no different than arrogant, nationalist Americans you love to hate so much.
Given the quibbling over why Brit involvement with *this* or *that* war wasn't that bad and the backward-ass pride for colonial past, I'm convinced the Brits are just fine with harmful international policy if they're the ones doing it. Had the British Empire reached it's peak in the information/social media age we wouldn't be as far removed from the destructive force you've been in the world. Instead you're lingering around like a stale fart chastising the US for a trend you started and things you'd be doing (and sometimes do) if your power hadn't waned long ago.
Screw the British Empire, screw US empire efforts, screw the Commonwealth whateverthefuck Club.
Given the quibbling over why Brit involvement with *this* or *that* war wasn't that bad and the backward-ass pride for colonial past, I'm convinced the Brits are just fine with harmful international policy if they're the ones doing it. Had the British Empire reached it's peak in the information/social media age we wouldn't be as far removed from the destructive force you've been in the world. Instead you're lingering around like a stale fart chastising the US for a trend you started and things you'd be doing (and sometimes do) if your power hadn't waned long ago.
Screw the British Empire, screw US empire efforts, screw the Commonwealth whateverthefuck Club.
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I never met the guy in person so can't say if he is cool or not really, being a diplomat at that level he must have had some social talent of course..Lucky Lucan wrote:That's pretty silly and facetious. Whether you like him or not (and I personally don't) he served in WW II, and was in combat at the Battle of the Bulge. He was also quite the lady's man, as evidenced by this famous quote:pablomiguelgarcia wrote:Can't we just all agree on the fact that Kissinger is not a very good looking guy? He'd probably get beaten up in the schoolyard or in jail and all that.
did not read his bio either so no real expert,
On Wikipedia it says he was in 'hazardous' intelligence during the bulge, so maybe he was lying on a hilltop with a pair of monoculars and a walkie, good on him, but I don't think he the type to be in the frontline ever, , he was an accountant,
then later he was
'in responsibility for 'de-Nazification' of the district Hesse'.
"Although he possessed absolute authority and powers of arrest, Kissinger took care to avoid abuses against the local population by his command"
I am sure he took part in the re education efforts of as many poor young little young German Mädchen there as he possibly could, being the womanizer he was, and quoting your picture.
Nah I don't like him either, if carpet bombing people behind everybody's back will get you laid, hm, shows what a despicable world we live in really.. and again not about him being Jewish, lots of cool and much better looking official jews in my book,
Hell yeah! Y'all got Trumpton, you don't gunna get no bedder than that, don't need nothing else round those parts.Nirvana wrote: Screw the British Empire, screw US empire efforts, screw the Commonwealth whateverthefuck Club.
Please, enlighten me, show me in this thread where I have said the UK was any better?Edwardo wrote:Why waste even 0.01 second of your life trying to educate that boring, one-trick troll about anything? All you will get for responses is their predictable, repetitive trolling drivel. Sad little girls like Jocksy trying desperately to feel better about their own lonely and useless lives by trying to project onto others their own shame for their beloved evil Empire's egregious attrocities throughout the past several hundred years. He has to keep going back to the Vietnam War for examples again and again because it's one of the very few places on the planet he and his pig-ignorant countrymen haven't directly and completely fucked up with their continuous colonial douchebaggery, violent racism and despicable military war crimes.jm wrote:Seriously? Do you actually read my posts? ....Jock Jock wrote:blah blah blah predictable trolling bullshit
Talk about ignorance, you are sure demonstrating plenty. The thread is about whether the US (not the UK) isn't in the commonwealth. I merely pointed out that they probably wouldn't be allowed in anyway, due to their countless, and seemingly endless committing of atrocities since 1945, and due to their appalling domestic human rights record. They definitely wouldn't get into the EU for the same reason. They would categorically fail on healthcare and the death penalty for a start. Year 2016, no universal healthcare, really? fucking third world bums.
I'm not the one harping on repeatedly trying to say that the Xmas bombings weren't carpet bombings. Which is of course rubbish. The US dropped 1000s of tonnes of explosives out of B-52s that the airplane gained the nickname 'Silent Death' due to the fact thatthe bombs were dropped from such a great altitude that he victims had no idea what was happening until it was too late. 1000s of tonnes of bombs dropped out of an aircraft using a protractor and binoculars. So many bombs were needed to have any chance of hitting a target that they had to bomb huge areas outside the possible target and hope for pot luck. i.e. Carpet Bombing
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