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2016 US presidential election poll - Trump or Clinton ?

I am a US citizen and I vote for D Trump
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11%
I am a US citizen and I vote for H Clinton
4
11%
I am a US citizen and I don't vote / vote for a third party
6
16%
I am not a US citizen and I would vote for D Trump
12
32%
I am not a US citizen and I would vote for H Clinton
12
32%
 
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Post by Visser » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:00 am

jm wrote:
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Visser wrote:Trump would be a welcome change after 8 years of Obama/Clinton warmongering.
Right. It's obviously the last 8 years of warmongering under Obama that have been the major cause of Americapresidentoblems. Everything was just peachy before that. And of course, rational and level-headed Donald Trump is just the person to bring people together for a more peaceful world going forward. Brilliant insight. :facepalm:
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Lol, before Obama there was no war in Syria, Lybia and the Ukraine, race relations in the US are the worst in decades. But yeah, lets have another four years of that but this time with the head hawk of the previous administration as president.

You sir are a genius.
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Are you 12? Just asking .

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Post by jm » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:29 am

You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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Post by Edwardo » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:41 am

jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start
Yeah, I thought briefly about responding to Visser's incomprehensible statements, but decided it was 10x more productive to instead let it go, mix a gin & tonic, and toast the bleak future of the USA under Emperor Trump, voted in by a hopeless and angry electorate such as the likes of Visser.

"Some people just want to see the world burn."
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Post by jm » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:12 am

Edwardo wrote:
jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start
Yeah, I thought briefly about responding to Visser's incomprehensible statements, but decided it was 10x more productive to instead let it go, mix a gin & tonic, and toast the bleak future of the USA under Emperor Trump, voted in by a hopeless and angry electorate such as the likes of Visser.

"Some people just want to see the world burn."
Yeah, common sense has never been my thing.

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Post by Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:32 am

jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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Sorry Jm, I usually agree with you on matters of History (in Asia) but I can't let you say that Gaddafi was a Dictator. The killing of him and the subsequent destruction of Libya by Western-backed National Transitional Council (NTC) fighters and NATO forces was nothing short of a war crime. He was captured alive and should have been treated as prisoner of war, interrogated and put on trial.

Hillary Clinton's comments on his death, "We came, we saw, he died."


He was not a Dictator, he was the father of modern Libya.

These are some of the contributions by Gaddafi to his country and the region:

(a) He envisioned "the United States of Africa" and thus contributed to the formation of the African Union. In fact, "the African Union is basically the creation of Muammar Gaddafi, who saw it as a vessel for a stronger Africa,"

(b) He succeeded in holding Libya together, which, according to Shirin Sagedhi, was previously fragmented by different "tribes and ethnicities."

(c) He transformed Libya to have "one of the highest GDPs per capita in Africa and...to provide an extensive level of social security, particularly in the fields of housing and education," in a way that many sub-Saharan countries in Africa could only dream of.

(d) He managed to avoid being dominated by the Soviet Union or the U.S. during the Cold War by playing the Soviet Union against the U.S. without being a puppet of the former. After the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War, he continued to fight against Western domination in the region and thus developed bad blood with Western powers.

(e) He overthrew the Kingdom of Libya in a bloodless military coup against King Idris in 1969 and thus brought Libya into the modern era (from monarchic feudalism).

But more important (to me and probably the citizens of Libya) was his construction of the Man-made river.

Western technicians said that Libya did not have the expertise to exploit this underground ocean; but in the early 1980s Gaddafi initiated the Great Man-Made River Authority, a 25-billion-dollar project to raise the water and pipe it across the desert.

Expertise and equipment was imported from Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan and South Korea. The first water began to flow in September 1989 and the project was completed in 2011. It was the world’s largest irrigation project and
the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts.

It supplied 6,500,000 cubic metres of fresh water daily. From being one of the driest countries on earth,
the desert bloomed and Libya was on it's way to being self sufficient. It is a war crime to attack essential civilian infrastructure.

All these achievements were no small feats for a ruler of a small country with only a few million people and therefore allowed Gaddafi to rule for 42 years. until...

Let's not even begin to talk about how many African migrants are flowing into Europe as a result of the chaos in Libya.

Killing him was a war crime. This is a good example of why Hillary is far more dangerous than Trump.
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Post by Edwardo » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:48 am

Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:This is a good example of why Hillary is far more dangerous than Trump.
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Post by jm » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:21 am

Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:
jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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He was not a Dictator, he was the father of modern Libya.
I don't believe these are at all mutually exclusive.



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Post by Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:21 am

jm wrote:
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jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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He was not a Dictator, he was the father of modern Libya.
I don't believe these are at all mutually exclusive.



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Fair enough but choosing to frame him as a dictator influenced people's attitudes and responses to the political and military objectives of the "regime change."

Out of curiosity, do you view HE as a dictator?
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Post by jm » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:27 am

Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:
jm wrote:
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jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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He was not a Dictator, he was the father of modern Libya.
I don't believe these are at all mutually exclusive.



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Fair enough but choosing to frame him as a dictator influenced people's attitudes and responses to the political and military objectives of the "regime change."

Out of curiosity, do you view HE as a dictator?
Not sure where to draw these lines but not in my understanding of the meaning, no.

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Post by Phuket2006 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:11 am

those wanting to vote for trump. watch southpark new episode season 20,
https://1337x.to/torrent/1789253/South- ... LERS-ettv/
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Post by Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:40 pm

^^ Didn't watch it but I'm fairly confident that Hillary would get down on her knees and give Trump a hummer if she thought it would win the election. Hell, she'd probably do it just for the money.
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Post by Visser » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:50 pm

jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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Without US support and weapons those uprisings would either not have taken place or been crushed in a matter of weeks.
Compare these to the uprising of the popular opposition in Bahrain at the same time. Difference is this uprising was brutally crushes by (US backed dictatorships) Bahrain, UAE and Saudi security forces. Ever hear Obama or Clinton talk about the right of self-determination of the people of Bahrain? Or for that matter the people of the other dictatorships in the Middle East that are backed by the US?
Or lets talk about Egypt where the popular opposition rose against another US backed dictatorship and for the first time held free and democratic elections. Unfortunately for the Egyptians they chose the wrong candidate and the US backed Egyptian army staged a coup and installed another US backed dictatorship.

But I can understand why you can't take this seriously, then you would have to present an actual argument. :lol:
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Post by Jamie_Lambo » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:40 am

Yep!
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Post by jm » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:45 am

Visser wrote:
jm wrote:You're arguments are so absurd I don't know where to start - "there were no wars in Syria and Libya" -- so Obama is responsible for the rise of popular opposition to these dictators? I'd insert a LOL but I can't take seriously a discussion peppered with them, sorry.

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Without US support and weapons those uprisings would either not have taken place or been crushed in a matter of weeks.
Compare these to the uprising of the popular opposition in Bahrain at the same time. Difference is this uprising was brutally crushes by (US backed dictatorships) Bahrain, UAE and Saudi security forces. Ever hear Obama or Clinton talk about the right of self-determination of the people of Bahrain? Or for that matter the people of the other dictatorships in the Middle East that are backed by the US?
Or lets talk about Egypt where the popular opposition rose against another US backed dictatorship and for the first time held free and democratic elections. Unfortunately for the Egyptians they chose the wrong candidate and the US backed Egyptian army staged a coup and installed another US backed dictatorship.

But I can understand why you can't take this seriously, then you would have to present an actual argument. :lol:
I agree with you on the hypocrisy of US policy, I simply wouldn't be so sure there would be no conflict absent US intervention and not really interested in debating hypotheticals.

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