^^Curious on your take (whoever wants to add in, not just Jamie) on what should be done then about the recent uprising in terror attacks then. There's an obvious problem and while I agree that most Muslims are good people, I think it's unacceptable to "get used to the idea" of terror attacks. It only takes a handful of idiots to ruin a party.
i.e. My good friend from Chicago has since moved because of the skyrocketing murder rate and crime spike since the ban on guns. Sure, over 99% of people and more are good people in Chicago, but that little group of trouble makers is destroying the entire city and something needs to be done.
I'm don't know what need to be done, I'm just curious on your opinions?
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Meanwhile further east Trump has sanctioned the Gulf-States isolation of Qatar and ISIS have attacked Tehran.
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Start by refusing re-entry to the country by ISIS fighters.
Lock up the whole watch list immediately.
Once the intelligence services have their shit together, release them back a few at a time, least concerning first.
Lock up the whole watch list immediately.
Once the intelligence services have their shit together, release them back a few at a time, least concerning first.
Makes sense, but how come they're not doing that now? What's with all these perps being "known to authorities" anyway?
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Being tracked on their way to the UK. Get tipped off and let in on condition they go on a watch list. Then comes the problem. It takes 20 to watch one. 4000 on that list gives 80000 watching. Friggin hopeless.AE86 wrote:Makes sense, but how come they're not doing that now? What's with all these perps being "known to authorities" anyway?
As a Japanese, I can't believe you would consider for one second the internment of people who have not broken any laws. You can get put on a government watchlist (i.e. "known to authorities") for making comments deemed to be radical or supporting certain types of violence. If everyone who made comments seemingly supporting violence against certain US politicians on occasion were locked up, that would be in the tens of millions...starting with this disgusting, no-talent tart:AE86 wrote:Makes sense, but how come they're not doing that now? What's with all these perps being "known to authorities" anyway?
The only thing missing is an ISIS flag. Had anyone posted a photo of themselves holding a prop of Barack Obama's severed bloody head, the outcry from the leftie mainstream media would be so intense and overwhelming that the person would be locked up for inciting violence against a US president and for promoting a "hate crime". As for the photo above, she got support from other leftie comedians calling it "free speech", while the media merely said that "she went too far". Yawn.
"The final straw actually involved my mortal enemy vladimir, who you may or may not know is an insufferable, overposting asshat."
You're assuming I disagree with FDR's decision to send the American Japanese into internment camps.Edwardo wrote: As a Japanese, I can't believe you would consider for one second the internment of people who have not broken any laws.
I should have phrased my words better on this point though. What I don't understand is why the agencies exist in the first place if nothing is being done. If people are "known to authorities" and are being surveiled and the attackers still get through, what is the point of those agencies?Edwardo wrote: You can get put on a government watchlist (i.e. "known to authorities") for making comments deemed to be radical or supporting certain types of violence. If everyone who made comments seemingly supporting violence against certain US politicians on occasion, we'd all be locked up...starting with this disgusting, no-talent tart:
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Edwardo wrote:
The only thing missing is an ISIS flag. Had anyone posted a photo of themselves holding a prop of Barack Obama's severed bloody head, the outcry from the leftie mainstream media would be so intense and overwhelming that the person would be locked up for inciting violence against a US president and for promoting a "hate crime". As for the photo above, she got support from other leftie comedians calling it "free speech", while the media merely said that "she went too far". Yawn.
Simply not true. She was roundly criticised by pretty much everyone, fired by CNN and had several showbiz engagements cancelled. And quite rightly so. It was a stupid and grossly offensive thing to do.
Yes, I am guilty of that assumption. I may have been mistaken to think any rational person would look back on that sad chapter of American history and agree with that decision which uprooted the lives of Japanese families and interned women and children in appalling conditions while some of the sons were out fighting in the US military. My bad.AE86 wrote:You're assuming I disagree with FDR's decision to send the American Japanese into internment camps.Edwardo wrote: As a Japanese, I can't believe you would consider for one second the internment of people who have not broken any laws.
"The final straw actually involved my mortal enemy vladimir, who you may or may not know is an insufferable, overposting asshat."
AE86 wrote:
I should have phrased my words better on this point though. What I don't understand is why the agencies exist in the first place if nothing is being done. If people are "known to authorities" and are being surveiled and the attackers still get through, what is the point of those agencies?Edwardo wrote: You can get put on a government watchlist (i.e. "known to authorities") for making comments deemed to be radical or supporting certain types of violence. If everyone who made comments seemingly supporting violence against certain US politicians on occasion, we'd all be locked up...starting with this disgusting, no-talent tart:
In fairness, the agencies have prevented something like 13 planned attacks in the last few years, and (i think) around 4-5 this year. When an attack needs as little preparation as a conversation in a coffee shop, three knives and a hired van, it's a bit difficult to know how agencies could or should do more.
She only hosted an annual 3 hour long New Years Eve countdown show on CNN that she was fired from and 7 scheduled standup comedy gigs that were cancelled in protest. Big fucking punishment. This in the context of some posters on here now supporting mass internment of people who have done much less or nothing at all.scobienz wrote:Edwardo wrote:
The only thing missing is an ISIS flag. Had anyone posted a photo of themselves holding a prop of Barack Obama's severed bloody head, the outcry from the leftie mainstream media would be so intense and overwhelming that the person would be locked up for inciting violence against a US president and for promoting a "hate crime". As for the photo above, she got support from other leftie comedians calling it "free speech", while the media merely said that "she went too far". Yawn.
Simply not true. She was roundly criticised by pretty much everyone, fired by CNN and had several showbiz engagements cancelled. And quite rightly so. It was a stupid and grossly offensive thing to do.
"The final straw actually involved my mortal enemy vladimir, who you may or may not know is an insufferable, overposting asshat."
She only hosted an annual 3 hour long New Years Eve countdown show on CNN that she was fired from and 7 scheduled standup comedy gigs that were cancelled in protest. Big fucking punishment. This in the context of some posters on here now supporting mass internment of people who have done much less or nothing at all.[/quote]Edwardo wrote:
Simply not true. She was roundly criticised by pretty much everyone, fired by CNN and had several showbiz engagements cancelled. And quite rightly so. It was a stupid and grossly offensive thing to do.
Well people can't fire her from jobs she doesn't have, can they?
I agree - it was a ridiculously stupid thing to do and totally counterproductive. People from all sides of the political spectrum have been attacking her, and rightly so. Your post gave the impression that she was being applauded. Only some idiots have applauded it, those too politically naive to understand the damage such student politics gestures like this have.
As for some posters supporting internment . . well, what can I say? It's an idiotic position to take, similarly ill-thought through and counterproductive. Welcome to the internet. We have our fair share of nutjobs here too.
As an aside, nobody sensible in the UK is talking about internment, except for the loathsome Nigel Farage who says things he doesnt really mean in an effort to remain relevant, and that cunt Katie Hopkins, whose comments on the subject were dismissed by even Fox News as 'reprehensible'.
Edwardo wrote:This in the context of some posters on here now supporting mass internment of people who have done much less or nothing at all.
Stop jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth.scobienz wrote: As for some posters supporting internment . . well, what can I say? It's an idiotic position to take, similarly ill-thought through and counterproductive. Welcome to the internet. We have our fair share of nutjobs here too.
I'm not saying I am a mass interment advocate (and certainly not for the internment of Muslims, if that's being inferred), I'm saying I don't disagree with FDRs decision and there are reasons, two of which I will outline below.
Firstly, you're assuming you understand the Japanese. Have you forgotten that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor first? Have you heard of Iwo Jima? Do you know what Japanese soldiers did to POWs of all races? Do you know about the Japanese "American" subversives in Hawai'i and Southern California? Do you know anything about Japanese war culture? Or did you think we were all just hard working peaceful rice eaters?
I'll give you a hint, Seppuku/Harakiri are not just storytime material, they are tennants of a fiercely ingrained culture that comes from a history 5 times longer than that of the U.S. If you think that's going to be washed away in 1 or 2 generations, think again. There were American Japanese (not most, but enough) on U.S. soil that posed very real threats to the public and government, and you'd be naive to think otherwise.
Secondly, consider the actual racism that existed in those days against any East Asian. It's not like the Japanese were a well integrated people, we suck at that. They had their own communities, their own towns, their own factories, it's not like they were intermingling with the locals and successfully integrating (co-existing yes), hell, there are 5th 6th and 7th generation "American" Asians who have more Asian blood than I do TO THIS DAY. I firmly believe that if he hadn't separated the Japanese from the other Americans there would have been a nasty bloody civil war on top of things just from clashes of the general public. Hell, East Asian racism continued well into the 1980's and 90's.
It is of course a very complex subject and one I can't really summarise well in a single post (or a book even), but where I stand having heard both sides of the story from hundreds of American Japanese (most of whom didn't even speak Japanese) and then being from the motherland myself...I do not disagree with President Roosevelt's decision. I hate him at a gut level for it (I mean, we all root for our home team right?), but I can not fault him as I genuinely believe he chose the most humane way he possibly could have with the resources he had in order to keep the peace and ultimately, ensure the safety of his citizens, which included the American Japanese. Let them be = Civil war. Execute them? Have a heart, right? What's the only other choice?
I can understand where you are coming from, and of course you are right in saying a lot of people suffered and were innocent, but you'd be extremely naive to think that FDR's choice was a simple act of "I hate them damn Japs, let's throw em' all in camps." If you've read and studied as much as I have on the subject, then I'd challenge you to present a better alternative that would actually work.
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