China's "re-education camps"
China's "re-education camps"
BBC News covers the growing numbers of Chinese internment camps reported to be forcefully holding well over a million Uighurs. They used to be called concentration camps. How can you spin this, Pu Li? More nonsense by lying western mainstream media? Maybe those "camps" are actually just new low-income family housing developments provided by the generous, loving Chinese government? Is it all bullshit because you personally know 5 Uighurs who aren't detained so it can't be true? #makechinagreatagain
The Chinese have made numerous concessions to the Uyghurs over the years like affirmative action, free education, subsidized healthcare, etc. The Chinese have also heavily invested in Xinjiang Province and have turned it into the biggest economy in the Central Asian region.
Many Uyghurs are thankful to the CCP. However, the Uyghur community in China has had serious problems with fundamentalism and extremism. The CCP has decided to tackle the problem head on instead of allowing more terrorist attacks to happen. The West has utterly failed at integrating its Muslim populations. The Chinese are aware of this:
"If you do not say it’s the best way, maybe it’s the necessary way to deal with Islamic or religious extremism, because the West has failed in doing so, in dealing with religious Islamic extremism," Li told reporters on the sidelines of the U.N. Human Rights Council session in Geneva.
"Look at Belgium, look at Paris, look at some other European countries. You have failed."
The Chinese government is also drawing on its own deep historical experience. Long before the refugee crisis in 2015, the Chinese of the Tang dynasty had to deal with a refugee crisis of their own in 841AD. The Uyghurs, whose army had just been routed by the Kyrgyz, fled to the borderlands of China. The Chinese, a generous people by nature, initially tolerated their presence and even provided them with rice and silk. The Uyghurs, not being granted entry to the interior of China, grew restless and rebelled. They started raiding Chinese villages and stealing livestock and rice from Chinese peasants. The Chinese military took decisive action and slaughtered the insolent rebels. If you are interested in this subject, I recommend Michel Drompp's excellent book, "Tang Dynasty and the Collapse of the Uyghur Empire."
Many Uyghurs are thankful to the CCP. However, the Uyghur community in China has had serious problems with fundamentalism and extremism. The CCP has decided to tackle the problem head on instead of allowing more terrorist attacks to happen. The West has utterly failed at integrating its Muslim populations. The Chinese are aware of this:
"If you do not say it’s the best way, maybe it’s the necessary way to deal with Islamic or religious extremism, because the West has failed in doing so, in dealing with religious Islamic extremism," Li told reporters on the sidelines of the U.N. Human Rights Council session in Geneva.
"Look at Belgium, look at Paris, look at some other European countries. You have failed."
The Chinese government is also drawing on its own deep historical experience. Long before the refugee crisis in 2015, the Chinese of the Tang dynasty had to deal with a refugee crisis of their own in 841AD. The Uyghurs, whose army had just been routed by the Kyrgyz, fled to the borderlands of China. The Chinese, a generous people by nature, initially tolerated their presence and even provided them with rice and silk. The Uyghurs, not being granted entry to the interior of China, grew restless and rebelled. They started raiding Chinese villages and stealing livestock and rice from Chinese peasants. The Chinese military took decisive action and slaughtered the insolent rebels. If you are interested in this subject, I recommend Michel Drompp's excellent book, "Tang Dynasty and the Collapse of the Uyghur Empire."
So you agree with China's internment camp policy detaining a million Uighurs, Harold? Because they are all extremists and terrorists, right?
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A generous people, building artificial islands in the Vietnamese sea and listening on your buddy Trump:Harold wrote:The Chinese, a generous people by nature,
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First of all, I don't accept that there are a million Uyghurs being detained. I don't know what the number is but I have not seen evidence to support the one million figure. Most of these camps are designed to provide Uyghurs with job training and to teach them Chinese and to teach them about Chinese socialism.McPhisto wrote:So you agree with China's internment camp policy detaining a million Uighurs, Harold? Because they are all extremists and terrorists, right?
The Chinese might seem harsh but the only other choice is to allow terrorists and extremists to run amok. Sometimes the best option is to take decisive action, even if that means a few eggs will be cracked in the process.
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So what if the Chinese are eavesdropping on Trump? Everyone eavesdrops on everyone. Obama certainly had no problem with the American government eavesdropping on German politicians.
As for their spat with Vietnam, that is for the Chinese and the Vietnamese to figure out. I don't see any reason why I should care. China should pursue a more aggressive foreign policy in order to counter American influence in the Pacific.
The Uyghur are feeling the weight of Beijing, just as Tibetans did in the past. The common link is these provinces wanted to be independent states and it is the Uyghur pushing it for Xinjiang; that they are muslim probably doesn't help their cause. The authorities have been relocating many to different parts of China, hopefully not to these camps.McPhisto wrote:BBC News covers the growing numbers of Chinese internment camps reported to be forcefully holding well over a million Uighurs. They used to be called concentration camps. How can you spin this, Pu Li? More nonsense by lying western mainstream media? Maybe those "camps" are actually just new low-income family housing developments provided by the generous, loving Chinese government? Is it all bullshit because you personally know 5 Uighurs who aren't detained so it can't be true? #makechinagreatagain
Anyway, all that is tiddly-winks when you consider this
China's New Tool For Social Control
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So you think these camps are in no way a violation of human rights or civil liberties. Got it.Harold wrote:Most of these camps are designed to provide Uyghurs with job training and to teach them Chinese and to teach them about Chinese socialism.
Sounds like summer camp. Are they voluntarily interned too? Are there arts and crafts classes?
Maybe, but he actually believes his nonsense so he is fun to slap about.crazyjohn wrote:Harold is a troll.
I think the camps are a solution to a serious and complicated problem. Uyghur separatists need to understand that their dream of an independent East Turkestan will never happen. The Chinese have every right to be in Xinjiang. Chinese have been settling in the Tarim Basin for centuries and they mostly did so as a response to Uyghur and nomadic incursions into China. I don't know why you are talking about human rights when countries like Germany, France, UK, and the US have no problem terrorizing, starving, robbing, and humiliating Muslims in the Middle East.McPhisto wrote:So you think these camps are in no way a violation of human rights or civil liberties. Got it.Harold wrote:Most of these camps are designed to provide Uyghurs with job training and to teach them Chinese and to teach them about Chinese socialism.
Sounds like summer camp. Are they voluntarily interned too? Are there arts and crafts classes?
The Chinese government has heavily promoted Uyghur culture across China for many decades. Almost every Chinese person over the age of 20 knows the name Wang Luobin after all. The Chinese government has also funded Uyghur language schools in China and they have even repaired dilapidated mosques.
So you are quick to continually point out percieved attrocities committed by Western governments, but eagerly give the Chinese a pass for their current deplorable actions? Nice.Harold wrote: I don't know why you are talking about human rights when countries like Germany, France, UK, and the US have no problem terrorizing, starving, robbing, and humiliating Muslims in the Middle East.
What atrocities have the Chinese committed against Uyghurs that comes close to the starvation of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and the destruction of Libya and Iraq? I'd much rather spend a year or two in a camp studying the Little Red Book and singing patriotic songs and learning necessary skills to find a stable job than be a potbellied Iraqi child on the verge of death because Madeleine Albright and President Clinton decided that I should starve for the crime of being born an Arab under the rule of a dictator who possessed non-existent weapons of mass destruction.
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Harold, can you please stop being such a Turkaphobe?Harold wrote: I think the camps are a solution to a serious and complicated problem. Uyghur separatists need to understand that their dream of an independent East Turkestan will never happen.
American and Armenian propagandists constantly bring up the Uyghur issue in order to undermine Sino-Turkish relations. The reality of the matter is that cordial relations between the Chinese and the Turks is beneficial to both the Turkic peoples and the Chinese people.
I oppose Uyghur separatism for many of the same reasons that I oppose the brutal occupation of Nagorno Karabakh.
I oppose Uyghur separatism for many of the same reasons that I oppose the brutal occupation of Nagorno Karabakh.
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