I think the press coverage and outrage that she doesn't seem resentful enough is missing some central points.
She was pretty young when she went there, I remember myself at that age and all the ridiculous things I believed in very strongly and how I proudly declared my convictions, telling grown-ups who didn't agree that they were just wrong and to stuck in the system to see the truth, only to later realize I didn't really understand most of it in any deeper way. As I got older I got both more experienced in judging ideas and got more cautious about picking up things just because they sounded new and convincing. At least in my case part of it was because they pissed my parents off... Ok, I didn't join a murderous militia even if in a passive role, so that is crossing some more lines than I ever did.
This doesn't excuse her actions of course, but I guess most have some stuff from their youth they don't take much pride in later in life, like yearbook pictures or Michael Jackson impersonations just to name a few examples. As far as I understand it she basically went there got married and stayed a housewife, that is not normally considered a major war crime, more of an extremely poor life choice.
Now she is detained in the pro-ISIS part of the camp, and I am pretty sure a lot of the others in that part of the camp keep track of her statements in the media. So for the moment, I doubt she would live long if she came clean and admitted it was all a huge mistake and that she no longer believes in the khalifate.
Why don't they try to separate them, so that if they so wish, can come clean? With bikers, neo-nazis and other gangs, that is usually the first step to get gullible kids out of it, take them away from the gang, so that there is no scare that if they speak out or otherwise take distance, they will get instantly killed or beaten up as a traitor.
If she is regretting it, she probably can't state it in public and survive, so to take care of her new kid I guess he has to continue to drink the cool aid in her current living condition. If on the other hand she still holds on to her previous beliefs she would behave the same but probably with a lot of more conviction and anger in her tone, so the interviews done in the camp can't really be used to figure out where she stands today.
I definitely believe she should face the legal consequences of her actions. But denouncing somebodies citizenship on a technically, that doesn't even seem to be holding up doesn't seem like an honorable way to handle this by a democratic state. Even if she would turn out to be not regretting things, she is still (or at least in my opinion should be) a UK citizen. Every country has fucked up people saying and doing extremely stupid shit, but normally they end up in prison, not losing their citizenship.
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1) Has she made statements calling for violence against her own country or it's people?
2) Has she stood by as violence against people from her own country has been committed?
If she has done either of the above there is a very old saying about making your own bed and lying in it.
2) Has she stood by as violence against people from her own country has been committed?
If she has done either of the above there is a very old saying about making your own bed and lying in it.
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As in prison, fines, losing a drivers license, your license to work in a certain profession, depending on the nature of the situation yes.Johnsell50 wrote:If she has done either of the above there is a very old saying about making your own bed and lying in it.
Having your citizenship denounced is more questionable, and seems to be more of a crowd pleaser than something fitting a proper legal procedure.
Opening up for kangaroo court style emotional decisions can lead to all kinds of escalations further down the line and is, in my opinion, not the right way to go for any legal system.
But yes, how to handle returning jihadis is a gigantic problem for many countries.
Another aspect in this specific case is that she did grow up in the UK as a UK citizen, and has no ties at all to Bangladesh, and according to Bangladeshi authorities, they don't even acknowledge her right to get citizenship as far as I have read. Not meaning that the UK is to blame for her fucktarded actions of course, what I mean is it seems like a UK problem to handle. As a comparison peddos and other low lives gets sent back to their own country, even though most people there probably would prefer not to receive them.
If a father is from Bangladesh, then his child is automatically a citizen there, according to Bangledshsi law. She wouldn't be technically stateless by having UK citizenship revoked.
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"Another aspect in this specific case is that she did grow up in the UK as a UK citizen, and has no ties at all to Bangladesh, and according to Bangladeshi authorities, they don't even acknowledge her right to get citizenship as far as I have read. Not meaning that the UK is to blame for her fucktarded actions of course, what I mean is it seems like a UK problem to handle. As a comparison peddos and other low lives gets sent back to their own country, even though most people there probably would prefer not to receive them."
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Think they could deport him and drop him off halfway back???????
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Think they could deport him and drop him off halfway back???????
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Hung, Mr Harold? We should snuff the life out of her?? What for?
She has never been accused of a capital crime.
She has never been accused of a capital crime.
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A Kiwi, known as the bumbling Jihadi, who joined IS has indicated he wishes to return home after becoming disillusioned with the failed regime.(imagine that).
He has been told by the NZ govt. he will not receive any assistance at all in his endeavours to return but if/when he does land , he will be arrested and charged with joining a terror organisation.
He is said to be extremely disappointed at the govts. stance.
Re 'bumbling', he was briefly imprisoned by IS for unwittingly disclosing GPS coordinates of IS positions when he was on line urging sympathetic Kiwis to rise up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03- ... ught-syria
He has been told by the NZ govt. he will not receive any assistance at all in his endeavours to return but if/when he does land , he will be arrested and charged with joining a terror organisation.
He is said to be extremely disappointed at the govts. stance.
Re 'bumbling', he was briefly imprisoned by IS for unwittingly disclosing GPS coordinates of IS positions when he was on line urging sympathetic Kiwis to rise up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03- ... ught-syria
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Shamima Begum: baby son dies in Syrian refugee camp
Three-week-old infant is the third child the teenager from east London has lost
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -have-died
Three-week-old infant is the third child the teenager from east London has lost
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -have-died
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