UK political shitshow
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Hey Grimmy, hope you're feeling OK today.
Here's something I came across that may amuse you for five minutes.
Its a quiz.
http://www.whoshallivotefor.com/quiz
Here are my results.
I'm a bit horrified about the LibDem result.
What about yours?
Here's something I came across that may amuse you for five minutes.
Its a quiz.
http://www.whoshallivotefor.com/quiz
Here are my results.
I'm a bit horrified about the LibDem result.
What about yours?
Up the workers!
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With all of his posts, KFF has made it crystal clear that he supports the EU dictating how the UK is governed. The one overriding fact that came out of last night was that if this passes today and goes to the EU, the UK will no longer have any say in it's future, we will become a vassal state of the EU................... EU Über Alles.
I doubt if many watched the comedy show in it's entirety last night as many feign interest but few bother to understand in detail what is happening.
The little gnome Bercow was put well and truly in his place by the Toff who pointed out that recently Bercow had ruled that Standing Order 24 could only be used in an emergency unless an amendment on it was passed by the house. As no such amendment had been passed and this is not an emergency, he has contradicted himself on a matter of Parliamentary procedure. While "accepting" that this was not done on purpose (of course not) it could easily have been done by mistake. Bercow just sank back further into his chair and would not answer. The political pundits pointed out afterwards that if he wished, Boris could challenge the ruling because of the Speakers blunder.
Anyway, regardless of the Speaker abusing his power, the next step will be a call for a general election which the hypocrite Corbyn will not vote for as he want the election called under his terms and not by anyone else. So much for the "bring it on".
In honesty, at time I find "House of Cards" to be more realistic than this bunch and maybe we will see a BBC series with Corbyn as the hero and Boris as the villain.
I doubt if many watched the comedy show in it's entirety last night as many feign interest but few bother to understand in detail what is happening.
The little gnome Bercow was put well and truly in his place by the Toff who pointed out that recently Bercow had ruled that Standing Order 24 could only be used in an emergency unless an amendment on it was passed by the house. As no such amendment had been passed and this is not an emergency, he has contradicted himself on a matter of Parliamentary procedure. While "accepting" that this was not done on purpose (of course not) it could easily have been done by mistake. Bercow just sank back further into his chair and would not answer. The political pundits pointed out afterwards that if he wished, Boris could challenge the ruling because of the Speakers blunder.
Anyway, regardless of the Speaker abusing his power, the next step will be a call for a general election which the hypocrite Corbyn will not vote for as he want the election called under his terms and not by anyone else. So much for the "bring it on".
In honesty, at time I find "House of Cards" to be more realistic than this bunch and maybe we will see a BBC series with Corbyn as the hero and Boris as the villain.
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I'd say less a contradiction and more of a new precedent (for substantive debate and decision). It is also up to the speaker to decide if it is an emergency,TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:47 pmThe little gnome Bercow was put well and truly in his place by the Toff who pointed out that recently Bercow had ruled that Standing Order 24 could only be used in an emergency unless an amendment on it was passed by the house. As no such amendment had been passed and this is not an emergency, he has contradicted himself on a matter of Parliamentary procedure.
Why would Corbyn not delay until he can get no-deal off the table? it is in his interest to delay. And he is currently the person in power he can do as he wishesTheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:47 pmAnyway, regardless of the Speaker abusing his power, the next step will be a call for a general election which the hypocrite Corbyn will not vote for as he want the election called under his terms and not by anyone else. So much for the "bring it on".
To see the sheer anger of The Moggster in the HOC last night, faced with the possibility of Brexit not being done before January 2020, you'd think he was concerned about the forthcoming implementation of the EU Money Laundering Directive.
He has rebelled against the Tory whip almost 100 times in 9 years. He is rewarded by being appointed Leader Of The House Of Commons. David Gauke ____ has never rebelled against the Tory whip in 14 years. Is rewarded with expulsion from the party.
He has rebelled against the Tory whip almost 100 times in 9 years. He is rewarded by being appointed Leader Of The House Of Commons. David Gauke ____ has never rebelled against the Tory whip in 14 years. Is rewarded with expulsion from the party.
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At this point in time, I see no reason to vote out. The Germans have to be admired in many ways. For years I've been reading about less roads more public transport, which is famed for being on time, recycling and using incinerators to power the heating in homes, affordable, stylish, functional pre fabricated houses, etc etc etc. I don't particularly like their propensity for getting very uptight when they perceive something as being out of place/ disorganised.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:47 pmWith all of his posts, KFF has made it crystal clear that he supports the EU dictating how the UK is governed. The one overriding fact that came out of last night was that if this passes today and goes to the EU, the UK will no longer have any say in it's future, we will become a vassal state of the EU................... EU Über Alles.
If the EU brings in things other than a ban on zero hour contracts, a better justice system re the ECHR, or making sure the wealthy pay their taxes, then I may choose to vote leave when the world order situation arrises.
I really don't see any need to risk starting the Irish problems again until an immediate threat warrants it.
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Bercow will go down in history as the most biased Speaker ever. He constantly bends and interprets the rules according to his political agenda when he should be totally unbiased. He has brought the role of Speaker into disrepute. His current ruling as to an emergency debate is in complete disagreement with his previous rulings.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:20 pmI'd say less a contradiction and more of a new precedent (for substantive debate and decision). It is also up to the speaker to decide if it is an emergency,
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Corbyn is a coward. He knows that he cannot win a General Election and that the Tories will get back in with a majority (having got rid of the traitors). He has been shouting ever since he was made leader for a General Election and now he has the opportunity he will vote against it.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:20 pmWhy would Corbyn not delay until he can get no-deal off the table? it is in his interest to delay. And he is currently the person in power he can do as he wishes
Where is Guido Fawkes when the country needs him.
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All that rubbish he was spouting just made the rebels even angrier. In many ways he helped them confirm their decision,EIKROY wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:41 pmTo see the sheer anger of The Moggster in the HOC last night, faced with the possibility of Brexit not being done before January 2020, you'd think he was concerned about the forthcoming implementation of the EU Money Laundering Directive.
He has rebelled against the Tory whip almost 100 times in 9 years. He is rewarded by being appointed Leader Of The House Of Commons. David Gauke ____ has never rebelled against the Tory whip in 14 years. Is rewarded with expulsion from the party.
Up the workers!
Back in Dalat after a long trip around the States and nothing much has changed. Corbyn is still trying to turn the UK into a Marxist state as per Venezuela. or even North Korea. Johnson has taken over the mess that Cameron passed onto May and the Jocks are revolting.....Same old, same old.
However, if the UK think that having Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister will solve any issues. they are in for a very big shock. The UK is well and truly fucked and the only way out is to force the EU to drop the back stop or go no deal. Anything else simply hands over the way the UK is run to Brussels.
Let's all hope for an election soon unless Corbyn the Coward (nice phrase Grim Reaper) chickens out as he will lose big time.
One big noticeable point was the support around the States for Donald Trump (except in California). The Yanks seem to love him. The media may not but it's the common voter that counts.
Politics, don't you just love it?
However, if the UK think that having Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister will solve any issues. they are in for a very big shock. The UK is well and truly fucked and the only way out is to force the EU to drop the back stop or go no deal. Anything else simply hands over the way the UK is run to Brussels.
Let's all hope for an election soon unless Corbyn the Coward (nice phrase Grim Reaper) chickens out as he will lose big time.
One big noticeable point was the support around the States for Donald Trump (except in California). The Yanks seem to love him. The media may not but it's the common voter that counts.
Politics, don't you just love it?
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I'm not sure what people are trying to achieve when they put across this sort of ridiculous exaggeration as fact. I don't even know that much about Corbyn but I very much doubt he is planning to nationalize all industry and put everyone who doesn't agree in gulags.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Hi Tog/TGR. Could you please explain the workings of Parliamentary Democracy to a pleb like me.
You could also e-mail the Grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and explain it to him if you like.
You could also e-mail the Grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and explain it to him if you like.
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I’m afraid that the system is designed to protect the interests of ruling cabals, hiding behind a smokescreen of various round-table groups, shadowy sub-sets of sub-sets of advisers and the Chief whip controlling whips controlling backbenchers scenario. Just a few of the many steps in multi-hierarchical systems.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:33 amWhat was the true vote? Easiest EU trade deal in modern history, 350m extra for the NHS, trade deals with other countries coming out of our ears.springrain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:32 amI knew these EU New World Order bastards would do this. The sick scum just can't accept the true vote of the people.
They have to manipulate parliament, instead.
These people have voted consciously, knowing full well they will have to leave the party they are members of (like Ken Clarke, Phillip Hammond who have been there for decades). And still went ahead with it, I think that shows a level of bravery, and that they are voting for what they believe.
And manipulating parliament? they tabled a vote and it passed
Very often groups of seemingly opposing interests are publicly seen to be duelling over conflicting interests, while, in the shadows, they are donning their hoods and prancing and muttering incantations.
Manipulators infiltrate (hardly an appropriate term - these groups have been controlling for many, many years) parties, committees, sub-committees and any other layers of the cake they can.
Sometimes, whips will appear to discipline a ‘rogue backbencher’ merely to give the illusion of there being some rebels. It is not dissimilar to the notion of a department deliberately arranging a ‘leak’ of some vital (mis) information.
They will know who they are and they will know which cat provides the cream. They are happy to be part of that arrangement, for they have made their decision to be part of it long ago.
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
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Attributed to Napoleon