What's happened in Denmark, and how can you compare it to Venezuela?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:17 pmWhat I like the best is that this is the second country, first Venezuela now Denmark, that Bernie has touted as a beacon of socialism that has gone tits up.
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You compare the two by having a preconceived notion, knowing nothing about them, and then grabbing a sound bite from Fox news or something.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:07 pmWhat's happened in Denmark, and how can you compare it to Venezuela?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:17 pmWhat I like the best is that this is the second country, first Venezuela now Denmark, that Bernie has touted as a beacon of socialism that has gone tits up.
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Very very simple, one is a failed socialist system the other is a failing socialist system. Same chicken, same eggs.SlowJoe wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:11 pmYou compare the two by having a preconceived notion, knowing nothing about them, and then grabbing a sound bite from Fox news or something.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:07 pmWhat's happened in Denmark, and how can you compare it to Venezuela?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:17 pmWhat I like the best is that this is the second country, first Venezuela now Denmark, that Bernie has touted as a beacon of socialism that has gone tits up.
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Sonic and I are talking school and you're deflecting again. Why are you obsessed with the Russian investigation? What's wrong with you? Don't you see how foolish you sound?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:05 pmlogos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:00 pmJohnsell is a real trumpian, even when he's dead wrong he still believes he's right.
He will deflect the question not to admit something potentially embarrassing, like the fact that removing healthy foods from schools introduced by Obama is one of the worst dick moves by the trump administration.
And the lefters will deny the fact that America is doing so much better overall and their "Trumped" up witch hunt failed miserably and now the chickens are coming home to roost with the new investigation into the FISA warrant scam.
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I can't find any references to Denmark collapsing in the news. Denmark isn't socialist. There seems to be some definition for socialism in the USA that I don’t recognize. I don’t really know what it is. Is it that any country that has higher tax rate than the USA is socialist? Or is it that any country that has more encompassing social security than the USA is socialist? Or is it that every country that has larger public services than the USA is socialist?Very very simple, one is a failed socialist system the other is a failing socialist system. Same chicken, same eggs.
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The only thing foolish is picking on one thing out of so many and insisting I talk about that. LOL!logos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:23 pmSonic and I are talking school and you're deflecting again. Why are you obsessed with the Russian investigation? What's wrong with you? Don't you see how foolish you sound?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:05 pmlogos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:00 pmJohnsell is a real trumpian, even when he's dead wrong he still believes he's right.
He will deflect the question not to admit something potentially embarrassing, like the fact that removing healthy foods from schools introduced by Obama is one of the worst dick moves by the trump administration.
And the lefters will deny the fact that America is doing so much better overall and their "Trumped" up witch hunt failed miserably and now the chickens are coming home to roost with the new investigation into the FISA warrant scam.
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I think it means "any country that has social services like healthcare under the control of the government in some way". But I also am not sure.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:26 pmI can't find any references to Denmark collapsing in the news. Denmark isn't socialist. There seems to be some definition for socialism in the USA that I don’t recognize. I don’t really know what it is. Is it that any country that has higher tax rate than the USA is socialist? Or is it that any country that has more encompassing social security than the USA is socialist? Or is it that every country that has larger public services than the USA is socialist?Very very simple, one is a failed socialist system the other is a failing socialist system. Same chicken, same eggs.
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You started this thread on healthcare. Do try to stay on topic.Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:40 pmThe only thing foolish is picking on one thing out of so many and insisting I talk about that. LOL!logos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:23 pmSonic and I are talking school and you're deflecting again. Why are you obsessed with the Russian investigation? What's wrong with you? Don't you see how foolish you sound?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:05 pmlogos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:00 pmJohnsell is a real trumpian, even when he's dead wrong he still believes he's right.
He will deflect the question not to admit something potentially embarrassing, like the fact that removing healthy foods from schools introduced by Obama is one of the worst dick moves by the trump administration.
And the lefters will deny the fact that America is doing so much better overall and their "Trumped" up witch hunt failed miserably and now the chickens are coming home to roost with the new investigation into the FISA warrant scam.
For some children the only hot meal the get is at school. From NT Times. "“This is not just wrong; it’s illegal,” said Anne Harkavy, the executive director of Democracy Forward, which is representing the Center for Science in the Public Interest and Healthy School Food Maryland.
The Agriculture Department did not respond to a request for comment.
The Obama-era rules, completed in 2012, kick-started the administration’s campaign to fight childhood obesity, starting with students’ lunch trays. The rules required schools participating in the National School Lunch and Breakfast Programs to reduce the amount of sodium, serve foods rich in whole grains, increase the amount of fruits and vegetables, and limit saturated and trans fats. They also required that flavored milk be fat free.
In May 2017, on his first week on the job, Mr. Perdue announced he would roll back the rules, quipping, “I wouldn’t be as big as I am today without chocolate milk.” Mr. Perdue . https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/p ... dards.html
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Exactly. (Most) Americans simply do not understand what Socialism is; oh, they might look it up in Miriam Webster or some such, but they really don't know. The same is true of 'Communism'. One can find many 'definitions' of these '-isms' but they are usually founded on preconceived ideas of what (in their minds) ought to - or ought not - to be.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:26 pmI can't find any references to Denmark collapsing in the news. Denmark isn't socialist. There seems to be some definition for socialism in the USA that I don’t recognize. I don’t really know what it is. Is it that any country that has higher tax rate than the USA is socialist? Or is it that any country that has more encompassing social security than the USA is socialist? Or is it that every country that has larger public services than the USA is socialist?Very very simple, one is a failed socialist system the other is a failing socialist system. Same chicken, same eggs.
(Aimed at Johnsell50): what are you talking about? Venezuela has only gone 'tits up' due to elite forces manipulating her economy and attempts at genuine socialist government. It's nothing to do with who has to pay the bill because, under elite-structured World Government, the ordinary folk ALWAYS have to foot the bill, while the fat-cat-manipulators reap the profits.
This system stretches way back beyond the Normans (Vikings, of course) Caesars, The Pharaohs...
It has worked for their benefit for a very long time.
Their benefit and their benefit only.
Anyone who believes this is the 'natural system' of government' or that it benefits all strata of society is, frankly, deluded.
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anyone who believes socialism is a wonderful form of government is sadly deluded. The fat cat "Manipulators as you call them pay 70% of the taxes in America, the middle class pay 27% more. 50% of the people in America pay 98% of the taxes. I understand socialism very well. It is not brain surgery and no, I am not going to sit here and explain it to you. In a perfect world, where every able body was willing to contribute it would work very well except for the fact that it really does not reward excellence in any form or someone willing to work harder than their neighbor to get ahead.
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^^John, how many times do you have to be told that Socialism is an economic theory - a centrally planned economy. not a form of government.
Bernie (although he doesn't know it) is a social democrat - some social welfare services as a safety net but still democratic values and a "market economy."
Bernie (although he doesn't know it) is a social democrat - some social welfare services as a safety net but still democratic values and a "market economy."
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The Prime Minister of Denmark had this to say, "I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.” “The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,”Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:19 pmVery very simple, one is a failed socialist system the other is a failing socialist system. Same chicken, same eggs.SlowJoe wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:11 pmYou compare the two by having a preconceived notion, knowing nothing about them, and then grabbing a sound bite from Fox news or something.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:07 pmWhat's happened in Denmark, and how can you compare it to Venezuela?Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:17 pmWhat I like the best is that this is the second country, first Venezuela now Denmark, that Bernie has touted as a beacon of socialism that has gone tits up.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish ... -socialist
However, it could be argued that the Scandinavian countries were aspirationally Socialist in the 50s and 60s. Their society was far healthier back then because the oligarchs had not yet decided to import hordes of Muslims from the Balkans, North Africa, and the Middle East. However, there were definitely many economic shortcomings that liberalization has seemingly corrected.
What you seem to be opposed to is nanny-stateism.
I am personally not opposed to a nanny state but it of course can only work if there is an ethically authoritarian regime calling the shots. An ethically authoritarian regime would promote a positive birthrate and would also have strong borders. The regimes in the Scandinavian countries are currently authoritarian but they are not ethical. A person can be imprisoned in any of the Scandinavian countries for not adequately venerating the Muslims or for having a conscience and an audaciousness to speak the truth about Allah's darling prophet.
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It's a free market economy, this Johnsell doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
Quora wrote:In the ease of doing business Denmark (3rd) beats the USA (6th). Norway (8), Sweden (10), and Finland (13) are slightly behind. Iceland is more behind (23rd), but all of them rank on the top of the index. Ease of doing business index - Wikipedia
In the economic freedom index Iceland (11th), Sweden (12th) and Denmark (15th) rank higher than the USA (18th). Norway (23rd) and Finland (26th) come a little after, but they all rank in the top 20–30 in the world. Index of Economic Freedom - Wikipedia
In the Press freedom index, all the Nordic countries are in the top10, the USA is 43rd. 2017 World Press Freedom Index | RSF
In general freedom index the Nordic countries are freer than the USA: Freedom in the World 2017
The only index where the USA is “more free” is the average tax level: all the Nordic countries have this higher. But I think that we all know by now that there is a large support in the Nordic countries to this due to the benefits we get in the form of tax funded health care, education and such. Is this the definition of socialism in the USA?
Germany has second biggest tax burden worldwide, report shows (a table for average tax rate)
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