Hong Kong Protests
I love how the British government, which is one of the most murderous and tyrannical governments in the world, has the audacity to criticize China for violating the "freedoms" of its citizens. Meanwhile the UK routinely imprisons its dissidents for holding the wrong opinions.
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China has no one to blame but itself for the weeks of unrest in Hong Kong. Hong Kong will no doubt stand up for themselves again rather than face the joke of a justice system that exists on the mainland.
Freedom is not a state. It is an act. It is not some enchanted garden perched high on a distant plateau.. Freedom is a continuous action we all must take, and each generation must do its part to create an even more fair, more just society.-John Lewis
They prefer cheap whiskey. Always good strategy to ply them Injuns with firewater. That's how we got them to sell us the land in exchange for eleven shiny beads and a smallpox-infested blanket.
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Of course, I realise your comment was tongue-in-cheek, but a cursory reading of Law and War by Peter Maguire would reveal the truth - that the land was stolen due to the false promises (lies) and the arrogant assumption (backed up by 'Law' - the 'Law of the white man' ) that the real 'Americans' were sub-human and, therefore, not recognised by (Roman) Law.
It's a disgrace that does not deserve your flippancy.
As Peter explains, they pulled the same trick in the Philippines.
https://cup.columbia.edu/book/law-and-war/9780231146470
And, yes, it is the same chap who wrote: Facing Death in Cambodia.
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
Attributed to Napoleon
Attributed to Napoleon
i struggle to feel any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. They had 160 years under British rule to start building the kind of democratic infrastructure that would have been hard to dismantle after 1997, but couldn’t be arsed to, instead leveraging the British protection and their position as a trading and then then financial hub to get rich.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
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Democracy is inherently fragile. China will never allow any form of democracy to flourish on it's doorstep. The generation that is protesting now has at least the courage to stand up to China and for themselves. "infrastructure that would be hard to dismantle" is the least logical part of your argument, your bitter colonial lack of empathy aside.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:02 pmi struggle to feel any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. They had 160 years under British rule to start building the kind of democratic infrastructure that would have been hard to dismantle after 1997, but couldn’t be arsed to, instead leveraging the British protection and their position as a trading and then then financial hub to get rich.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
Freedom is not a state. It is an act. It is not some enchanted garden perched high on a distant plateau.. Freedom is a continuous action we all must take, and each generation must do its part to create an even more fair, more just society.-John Lewis
Sonic1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:40 pmDemocracy is inherently fragile. China will never allow any form of democracy to flourish on it's doorstep. The generation that is protesting now has at least the courage to stand up to China and for themselves. "infrastructure that would be hard to dismantle" is the least logical part of your argument, your bitter colonial lack of empathy aside.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:02 pmi struggle to feel any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. They had 160 years under British rule to start building the kind of democratic infrastructure that would have been hard to dismantle after 1997, but couldn’t be arsed to, instead leveraging the British protection and their position as a trading and then then financial hub to get rich.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
Empathy? A little, but only in the sense that they screwed up when they could have been building democracy. They weren’t interested.
I don’t know if you have ever spent any time in HK. I lived there 4 years. I have lived in 8 different countries and it’s fair to say the HKrs were by far the most virulently racist bunch of all. Fuck them. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it.
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Whatever democracy that could have been built prior to WW2 would have been demolished by the Japanese, By the time the 1970's came around they had begun negotiating the turnover. How much time does that honestly give them? I am curious to hear about this "democratic infrastructure" that would endure the wrath of the mainland.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:31 amSonic1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:40 pmDemocracy is inherently fragile. China will never allow any form of democracy to flourish on it's doorstep. The generation that is protesting now has at least the courage to stand up to China and for themselves. "infrastructure that would be hard to dismantle" is the least logical part of your argument, your bitter colonial lack of empathy aside.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:02 pmi struggle to feel any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. They had 160 years under British rule to start building the kind of democratic infrastructure that would have been hard to dismantle after 1997, but couldn’t be arsed to, instead leveraging the British protection and their position as a trading and then then financial hub to get rich.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
Empathy? A little, but only in the sense that they screwed up when they could have been building democracy. They weren’t interested.
I don’t know if you have ever spent any time in HK. I lived there 4 years. I have lived in 8 different countries and it’s fair to say the HKrs were by far the most virulently racist bunch of all. Fuck them. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it.
Freedom is not a state. It is an act. It is not some enchanted garden perched high on a distant plateau.. Freedom is a continuous action we all must take, and each generation must do its part to create an even more fair, more just society.-John Lewis
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Damn, imagine little yellow people daring to believe they could behave the same as the master race. The cheek!Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:02 pmi struggle to feel any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. They had 160 years under British rule to start building the kind of democratic infrastructure that would have been hard to dismantle after 1997, but couldn’t be arsed to, instead leveraging the British protection and their position as a trading and then then financial hub to get rich.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
160 years of opportunity to build democratic infrastructure...Opium, War, anybody?I'm sure the Chinese in Hong Kong were shown just how much the thieving Brits could steal from them and how little they were treated as equals. 160 years of democracy? Maybe post 1945 at a push, more likely from the 70s.. What are you smoking?LOL.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
vladimir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:43 amDamn, imagine little yellow people daring to believe they could behave the same as the master race. The cheek!Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:02 pmi struggle to feel any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. They had 160 years under British rule to start building the kind of democratic infrastructure that would have been hard to dismantle after 1997, but couldn’t be arsed to, instead leveraging the British protection and their position as a trading and then then financial hub to get rich.
They’re now paying the price for that Faustian pact.
160 years of opportunity to build democratic infrastructure...Opium, War, anybody?I'm sure the Chinese in Hong Kong were shown just how much the thieving Brits could steal from them and how little they were treated as equals. 160 years of democracy? Maybe post 1945 at a push, more likely from the 70s.. What are you smoking?LOL.
Once again you combine a failure to read with a ridiculous misunderstanding of history. Many HKrs themselves lament the fact they didn’t build democratic institutions like proper elections. I’m guessing you have never spent any time there.
All I can say is try buying a flight to London through HK right now. 5000 dollar up even at the back of the plane.
Looks like a lot of peeps are getting the fuck out.
Edited to add Honkers' folk have always been incredibly kind and welcoming to me.
There must have been something about Scooby they didn't like.
Looks like a lot of peeps are getting the fuck out.
Edited to add Honkers' folk have always been incredibly kind and welcoming to me.
There must have been something about Scooby they didn't like.
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I bought two flights PP-HKG-DUB last week for $1019 each. Less than 18 hours total travel time including transfer time.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Dublin is cheaper, true. London is ridic.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:05 pmI bought two flights PP-HKG-DUB last week for $1019 each. Less than 18 hours total travel time including transfer time.
HK is my preferred route as they still let me abuse the lounges and often upgrade me but fucked if I'm paying 5700 one way to sit up the back.
Have you seen the people back there? Animals.
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