I was just trying to work out where Jen got that Boris pic from.
I found this.
That must be what she meant when she said he looked better than in a suit.
Post by kungfufighter » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:38 pm
I was just trying to work out where Jen got that Boris pic from.
Post by kungfufighter » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:11 pm
I can see where you're coming from, but don't forget there are an equal number of no dealers in the party.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:37 pmFrom a Brexit perspective the result isn’t the worst possible outcome.
Johnson has a large enough majority to ignore the obsessive zeal of the ERG and extend the one year period if any trade deal hasn’t been resolved yet. Plus he is no longer at the mercy of the DUP bigots.
It could have been a lot worse.
Post by kungfufighter » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:13 pm
Post by scobienz » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:15 am
kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:11 pmI can see where you're coming from, but don't forget there are an equal number of no dealers in the party.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:37 pmFrom a Brexit perspective the result isn’t the worst possible outcome.
Johnson has a large enough majority to ignore the obsessive zeal of the ERG and extend the one year period if any trade deal hasn’t been resolved yet. Plus he is no longer at the mercy of the DUP bigots.
It could have been a lot worse.
I've had enough of hope for the time being. But don't let that stop you.
Post by RobW » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:08 am
Post by batshitcrazyweirdo » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:10 am
Are you talking about USA or UK??? I'm confused now.
Post by kungfufighter » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:07 am
People will definitely draw that conclusion. Which is bloody embarrassing for a start without even mentioning the mass vote in favour of inequality, the global far-right signaling, or the complete indifference to the climate crisis.batshitcrazyweirdo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:10 amAre you talking about USA or UK??? I'm confused now.
Post by kungfufighter » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:59 am
The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. That's the problem.
Post by kungfufighter » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:31 pm
Post by scobienz » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:09 pm
kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:31 pmThe Tories have won a substantial parliamentary majority. Boris Johnson's victory speech talked about being a 'one-nation Conservative' and promised increased spending on the NHS. This is a lie. When Maggie Thatcher won in 1979 she quoted Frances of Assisi, promising to bring harmony and hope to Britain.
Instead, she ruled ruthlessly and attacked the working class. Johnson will do the same and rule not for the 'whole nation' but the billionaires. His manifesto promised an immediate assault on the rights of rail workers to strike. This, combined with the recent brutal anti-democratic court rulings against the postal workers' union, the CWU, gives a glimpse of the attacks on workers' rights to come.
But Johnson's attacks on trade unions and the working class as a whole can be defeated. The seeming strength of Johnson's government will be shattered by coming events. In 1987 Margaret Thatcher had a majority of 102. Within 12 months the campaign of mass non-payment against the poll tax, led by Militant, now the Socialist Party, had begun. It turned the Iron Lady into iron filings, forcing her resignation in 1990. Today, the Tory party is far weaker than it was then. It is bitterly divided, and Johnson has only been able to win by distancing himself from his own party, using populist rhetoric to falsely claim he is standing up for 'the people'.
This was a 'snapshot', a very ephemeral result, with even Johnson having to acknowledge workers had only lent him their votes. In the immediate period after the election there is bound to be bitter disappointment, even despair, from workers and young people who can see what a Johnson government will mean.
Nonetheless, their anger will find an outlet and mass struggles - like those taking place in France, Chile and many other countries - will come to Britain. The workers' movement needs an urgent council of war to plan a fight back against Johnson's attacks, firstly in support of the postal, rail and other workers currently in dispute, and in order to harness the anger and give it an organised form. A vital part of that resistance is a fight for socialist policies. Already the capitalist politicians and commentators, and the Labour right wing, are lining up to argue that Labour's poor result was caused by Corbyn's left-wing manifesto. This is nonsense. In fact, Labour got 10.2 million votes, the second time under Corbyn it has reached over 10 million votes, something that was not achieved by Blair after the 2001 election, or ever by Brown or Miliband.
The majority of policies in Corbyn's manifesto have overwhelming public support, including the nationalisation it proposed. The Blairites claim a so-called '1970s manifesto' was outdated, but it is their worshipping of the capitalist elite that is out of date.
Corbyn's policies of a £10-an-hour minimum wage, mass council house building, ending zero-hour contracts, free education and more, would be a real step forward for millions of workers who have suffered a decade of falling living standards.
Corbyn's manifesto, and above all the enthusiasm a Corbyn-led government would have engendered, terrified the capitalist class, who have moved might and main to prevent Corbyn getting into Number Ten.
A vicious campaign of slander against Corbyn was relentlessly conducted by the capitalist media, probably greater than in any election since Labour won in 1945, when Labour was accused of wanting to bring in a Gestapo but introduced the NHS and other reforms.
We should expect nothing less from the mass media, which is mainly owned by billionaires or, in the case of the BBC, is an arm of the capitalist state which has always ultimately defended its interests.
As far back as the 1926 general strike it claimed to be 'independent' while banning speeches from the Labour leader, and even the Archbishop of Canterbury - because he was considered too conciliatory. As 1945 showed, however, with a clear fighting programme it is possible to cut across the lies of the capitalist media.
Post by kungfufighter » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:45 pm
Post by kungfufighter » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:52 pm
If I had posted that link you definitely wouldn't have read it. Just because I post things I either observe myself or find something interesting/ amusing doesn't negate their inherent content. However, it does negate your integrity as someone who likes to project themselves as taking a measured response if you refuse to read them.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:09 pmTry expressing your views in your own words, not someone else’s. It’s very shabby intellectually.