Argue in circles about British politics thread
Kungie, you're coming across as a bit unhinged, old chap. Unlikely that there will be another election for four and a half years. Why not think about what you can do with that not insignificant amount of time to improve your life for yourself? Rather than stagnating in self pity, whilst waiting for the great Comrad Corbyn to descend from the heavens and make everything alright.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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That's touching. It's not at all surprising that anyone liking that shit film would also be voting Tory.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:18 pmHe should've purged them on day 1 but he was too weak. Let's be honest, he's going to have to offer to be circumcized on live TV if he wants to be PM.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:07 pm
The last thing Labour should do is get rid of Corbyn. They should expell each and every right-wing Blairite from the party, immediately.
Wot, like this polling day tweet and image from the Conservatives. (Can't post the whole tweet only the image that accompanied it.)Those that accuse the Left of empty rhetoric when describing many Conservative voting leavers as racists, should note the use of racism by Johnson and his Brexiters to obtain increased support.
It's Polling Day, and on Polling Day you #VoteConservativeActually 🗳
Stormyz says:
Britain is “definitely, 100%” racist and that this has worsened under Boris Johnson because his comments have emboldened people with racist views.
When asked if Britain was still racist, the musician said “definitely, 100%” even if it was “hidden”.
“It’s like: ‘Oh no, we’re not racist’. But there’s a lot of racism in the country,” he said. “The difficult thing with the UK is trying to explain that Britain is a racist country to a British person. It is the most difficult thing ever. They think: ‘No, it’s not. Stormzy you’re successful. Look at London, there’s loads of black people …’ It’s a more difficult case to fight.”
He said the prime minister was a “figurehead” whose actions had made it more acceptable to say racist things in British society.
“If the top person can openly say this racist thing – the ‘piccaninnies’ remarks, ‘watermelon smiles’, comparing Muslim women to a letter box – if that is our figurehead, the top man, the leader we have to follow, and he openly says these things, he encourages hate among others.”
He said since Johnson had been in office the situation had deteriorated, with people who hold racist views feeling emboldened to express them in public.
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May I ask, which musical instrument (leaving out the bongos, naturally) can this 'musician' actually play?
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Apparently, Mark Francois and the ERG are looking to play the bells.
Brexit: Big Ben can ring out to mark Britain’s exit from EU, says Speaker Lindsay Hoyle.
A group of more than 50 Tory MPs have backed the early day motion put forward by ardent Brexiteer Mark Francois.
The tower is a British cultural icon recognised all over the world. It is one of the most prominent symbols of the United Kingdom and parliamentary democracy.
The chimes of Big Ben have been used at the state funerals of monarchs on three occasions, however, this is the first time its chimes will have been heard to celebrate the death of both a democracy and a united nation.
Brexit: Big Ben can ring out to mark Britain’s exit from EU, says Speaker Lindsay Hoyle.
A group of more than 50 Tory MPs have backed the early day motion put forward by ardent Brexiteer Mark Francois.
The tower is a British cultural icon recognised all over the world. It is one of the most prominent symbols of the United Kingdom and parliamentary democracy.
The chimes of Big Ben have been used at the state funerals of monarchs on three occasions, however, this is the first time its chimes will have been heard to celebrate the death of both a democracy and a united nation.
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Liverpool Road
The positive role of anti-cuts councillors is a key lesson of the struggle of Liverpool City Council, in which we played a leading role in the 1980s. By taking on and defeating Thatcher, building 5,000 council houses and creating jobs, we caused a swing to Labour that - had it been repeated on a national scale in the 1987 general election - would have led to a majority Labour government.
The Labour left also made serious mistakes on the national question in Scotland, resulting in Labour being reduced again to just one seat, with the capitalist SNP making gains.
For Corbyn's anti-austerity programme to be heard in Scotland, Labour had to support the right of the Scottish people to self-determination. Given the dominance of the Tories in Westminster, the demands for independence in Scotland are now likely to grow rapidly.
In the wake of this defeat, the Labour right are already demanding that Corbyn goes immediately. It would be a major mistake for the Corbynistas to retreat in the face of the Blairite onslaught. Instead, they must urgently take the measures that the Socialist Party has been calling for over the last four years.
A workers' movement conference - of all those trade unions and socialists who want to defend Corbyn's programme against the Blairites' attacks - should be immediately called to discuss a programme to transform Labour into a workers' party with a clear socialist programme.
Democratisation of the party - including restoring the rights of the trade unions, introducing mandatory reselection, and organising on a federal basis with the Socialist Party and others encouraged to affiliate - would be an important step.
The most important measure, however, would be to take a clear and firm position for Labour to be a real anti-austerity party in words and deeds, with no place for MPs and councillors who implement Tory attacks on the working class. Unfortunately, at least on election night, this was not the approach of the Labour left.
They urgently need to halt the retreat, and stand and fight. Even if they do not, the burning need for a mass workers' party will remain and the task of creating one, in one form or other, will be posed as part of the mighty battles to defeat the Johnson government. The Socialist Party will play a key role in this fight..
Duty Now For The Future!
Long Live New New Labour!!
https://m.socialistparty.org.uk/article ... ry-attacks
(*link kindly supplied by, and with the express permission of, RobW)
The positive role of anti-cuts councillors is a key lesson of the struggle of Liverpool City Council, in which we played a leading role in the 1980s. By taking on and defeating Thatcher, building 5,000 council houses and creating jobs, we caused a swing to Labour that - had it been repeated on a national scale in the 1987 general election - would have led to a majority Labour government.
The Labour left also made serious mistakes on the national question in Scotland, resulting in Labour being reduced again to just one seat, with the capitalist SNP making gains.
For Corbyn's anti-austerity programme to be heard in Scotland, Labour had to support the right of the Scottish people to self-determination. Given the dominance of the Tories in Westminster, the demands for independence in Scotland are now likely to grow rapidly.
In the wake of this defeat, the Labour right are already demanding that Corbyn goes immediately. It would be a major mistake for the Corbynistas to retreat in the face of the Blairite onslaught. Instead, they must urgently take the measures that the Socialist Party has been calling for over the last four years.
A workers' movement conference - of all those trade unions and socialists who want to defend Corbyn's programme against the Blairites' attacks - should be immediately called to discuss a programme to transform Labour into a workers' party with a clear socialist programme.
Democratisation of the party - including restoring the rights of the trade unions, introducing mandatory reselection, and organising on a federal basis with the Socialist Party and others encouraged to affiliate - would be an important step.
The most important measure, however, would be to take a clear and firm position for Labour to be a real anti-austerity party in words and deeds, with no place for MPs and councillors who implement Tory attacks on the working class. Unfortunately, at least on election night, this was not the approach of the Labour left.
They urgently need to halt the retreat, and stand and fight. Even if they do not, the burning need for a mass workers' party will remain and the task of creating one, in one form or other, will be posed as part of the mighty battles to defeat the Johnson government. The Socialist Party will play a key role in this fight..
Duty Now For The Future!
Long Live New New Labour!!
https://m.socialistparty.org.uk/article ... ry-attacks
(*link kindly supplied by, and with the express permission of, RobW)
Up the workers!
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Slightly off topic but no doubt this news from the Socialist paradise of Vietnam will warm KFF's heart.
Vietnam is sentencing corrupt bankers to death, by firing squad
Vietnam is sentencing corrupt bankers to death, by firing squad
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-04-03/ ... preNgF0mTMThe authoritarian Southeast Asian state doesn’t just send unscrupulous financiers to jail. Sometimes, it sends them to death row.
Amid a sweeping cleanup of its financial sector, Vietnam has sentenced three bankers to death in the past six months.
One duo now on death row embezzled roughly $25 million from the state-owned Vietnam Agribank. Their co-conspirators caught decade-plus prison sentences.
In March, a 57-year-old former regional boss from Vietnam Development Bank, another government-run bank, was sentenced to death over a $93-million swindling job.
According to Vietnam’s Tuoi Tre news outlet, several of his colluders were sentenced to life imprisonment after they confessed to securing bogus loans with a diamond ring and a BMW coupe. And last week, in an unrelated case, charges against senior employees from the same bank allege $47 million in losses from dubious loans.
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I quite fancy Emily Thornberry for the first year. I think it would be great tv to see her verbally smacking Johnson about. With any luck we may see her fly across the chamber and sink her teeth into him.
Then Long-Bailey can take over with Faiza Shaheen in support. They'll show the Johnson who the intellectual boss is.
Let the women rip him to pieces.
Then Long-Bailey can take over with Faiza Shaheen in support. They'll show the Johnson who the intellectual boss is.
Let the women rip him to pieces.
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UK productivity in the past 10 years under The Business Party has been truly terrible.
Under Labour, in the period before the banks and ratings agencies caused the financial crisis, it was growing at around 2% each year, but in the last decade under the Conservatives, that has slumped to an average growth of 0.3% a year.
In 2010 the government cancelled a program to rebuild 715 schools, because they’d run out of money. But at the sametime the Bank of England had created £445 billion of new money through a program called Quantitative Easing. Instead of this money being spent on something useful, it was pumped into the financial markets, benefitting the richest 5% but doing almost nothing to create jobs and stable economic recovery.
Under Labour, in the period before the banks and ratings agencies caused the financial crisis, it was growing at around 2% each year, but in the last decade under the Conservatives, that has slumped to an average growth of 0.3% a year.
In 2010 the government cancelled a program to rebuild 715 schools, because they’d run out of money. But at the sametime the Bank of England had created £445 billion of new money through a program called Quantitative Easing. Instead of this money being spent on something useful, it was pumped into the financial markets, benefitting the richest 5% but doing almost nothing to create jobs and stable economic recovery.
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Dear Mr Fighter,
Boris Johnson turned the General Election into a second referendum on leaving the EU with his slogan “Get Brexit done”.
As the Conservatives received only 43.6 per cent of the vote - then the majority, 56.4 per cent, were clearly opposed to getting Brexit done. Boris Johnson should accept “the will of the people” and allow the UK to remain in the EU.
Yours,
Arnold Beck
Dear Mr Beck,
I hear what you're saying and wholeheartedly agree, but you know what these undemocratic Tory fuck heads are like mate. I suggest taking it to the streets.
Yours,
KFF
Boris Johnson turned the General Election into a second referendum on leaving the EU with his slogan “Get Brexit done”.
As the Conservatives received only 43.6 per cent of the vote - then the majority, 56.4 per cent, were clearly opposed to getting Brexit done. Boris Johnson should accept “the will of the people” and allow the UK to remain in the EU.
Yours,
Arnold Beck
Dear Mr Beck,
I hear what you're saying and wholeheartedly agree, but you know what these undemocratic Tory fuck heads are like mate. I suggest taking it to the streets.
Yours,
KFF
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Dear Mr Fighter,
My husband, Dave, is a Tory who voted leave.
I just wanted to write to you to let you know what his reaction was when, last night, after he sent my 7 yo daughter to bed without any supper because he said he supported the government, I pointed out that he and all Brexiters were undemocratic and mean-minded.
Yours sincerely,
Ms T Kind
Ps, I think you're fantastic.
My husband, Dave, is a Tory who voted leave.
I just wanted to write to you to let you know what his reaction was when, last night, after he sent my 7 yo daughter to bed without any supper because he said he supported the government, I pointed out that he and all Brexiters were undemocratic and mean-minded.
Yours sincerely,
Ms T Kind
Ps, I think you're fantastic.
Up the workers!
Nice one Dave, that'll learn her.
Merry Christmas, KFF.
Merry Christmas, KFF.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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An interesting piece by Zizek on Corbyn, anti-Semitism and Piketty. I have only posted the conclusion, but it's a short and interesting article.
And for those that say 'let it lie', or 'let it go', I ask you to imagine what an absolute stink the 5% would be causing right now if Corbyn had won.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/476079-corbyn- ... tal-zizek/
Safe game?
Imagine that Corbyn had won (or, for that matter, Bernie Sanders becomes US president) – and just try to fathom the shattering counter-attack of Big Capital with all its dirty tricks. Maybe the voters were aware of these potential dangers inherent in a Labour victory and preferred the safe game.
The challenges that we face, from global warming to refugees, from digital control to biogenetic manipulations, require nothing less than a global reorganization of our societies. Whichever way this will happen, two things are sure: it will not be enacted by some new version of a Leninist Communist party, but it will also not happen as part of our parliamentary democracy. It will not be just a political party winning more votes and enacting Social Democratic measures.
This brings us to the fatal limitation of Democratic Socialists. Back in 1985, Felix Guattari and Toni Negri published a short book in French ‘Les nouveaux espaces de liberté’ whose title was changed for the English translation into ‘Communists Like Us’ – the implicit message of this change was the same as that of Democratic Socialists: “Don’t be afraid, we are ordinary guys like you, we don’t pose any threat, life will just go on when we will win...” This, unfortunately, is not the option. Radical changes are needed for our survival, and life will NOT go on, as usual; we will have to change even in our innermost feelings and stances.
So we should of course fully support Labour in the UK, Democratic Socialists in the US, and their peers in other states. But if we just wait for the right moment to enact radical change, this moment will never arrive. So, we have to begin with where we are. But we should do this without illusions, fully aware that our future will demand much more than electoral games and Social Democratic measures. We are at the beginning of a dangerous voyage on which our survival depends
And for those that say 'let it lie', or 'let it go', I ask you to imagine what an absolute stink the 5% would be causing right now if Corbyn had won.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/476079-corbyn- ... tal-zizek/
Safe game?
Imagine that Corbyn had won (or, for that matter, Bernie Sanders becomes US president) – and just try to fathom the shattering counter-attack of Big Capital with all its dirty tricks. Maybe the voters were aware of these potential dangers inherent in a Labour victory and preferred the safe game.
The challenges that we face, from global warming to refugees, from digital control to biogenetic manipulations, require nothing less than a global reorganization of our societies. Whichever way this will happen, two things are sure: it will not be enacted by some new version of a Leninist Communist party, but it will also not happen as part of our parliamentary democracy. It will not be just a political party winning more votes and enacting Social Democratic measures.
This brings us to the fatal limitation of Democratic Socialists. Back in 1985, Felix Guattari and Toni Negri published a short book in French ‘Les nouveaux espaces de liberté’ whose title was changed for the English translation into ‘Communists Like Us’ – the implicit message of this change was the same as that of Democratic Socialists: “Don’t be afraid, we are ordinary guys like you, we don’t pose any threat, life will just go on when we will win...” This, unfortunately, is not the option. Radical changes are needed for our survival, and life will NOT go on, as usual; we will have to change even in our innermost feelings and stances.
So we should of course fully support Labour in the UK, Democratic Socialists in the US, and their peers in other states. But if we just wait for the right moment to enact radical change, this moment will never arrive. So, we have to begin with where we are. But we should do this without illusions, fully aware that our future will demand much more than electoral games and Social Democratic measures. We are at the beginning of a dangerous voyage on which our survival depends
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I think even Slavedog would have to agree that the election was anything but conventional. So, there is still hope.
Now that the bill has passed, the commons will have another three days to discuss it further, beginning on January 7. The commons could possibly make amendments to the bill. The final vote will take place on January 9.
The bill will then be passed on to the UK's upper house to make a final decision on whether the bill passes into law. By convention, the House of Lords does not usually block policies that were in a government's election policy program.
Now that the bill has passed, the commons will have another three days to discuss it further, beginning on January 7. The commons could possibly make amendments to the bill. The final vote will take place on January 9.
The bill will then be passed on to the UK's upper house to make a final decision on whether the bill passes into law. By convention, the House of Lords does not usually block policies that were in a government's election policy program.
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