Assange Extradition Hearing.
Assange Extradition Hearing.
To me the man is a hero more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than even a day in a US penitentiary.
My understanding of the hearing in London is that it is to ascertain whether the extradition request is politically motivated. If it's decided it is, he walks. Is that correct?
I like to think he has a team of Guy Fawkes mask wearers who will unleash information hellfire if he is extradited, but perhaps he'll just be forgotten and rot.
My understanding of the hearing in London is that it is to ascertain whether the extradition request is politically motivated. If it's decided it is, he walks. Is that correct?
I like to think he has a team of Guy Fawkes mask wearers who will unleash information hellfire if he is extradited, but perhaps he'll just be forgotten and rot.
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It's nothing new that the right-wing don't like journalists or journalism. If they had their way, they would have the whole world reading comics. They're almost there. I would say I hope he goes free, but I've given up on hope. But still it's so important - I hope he goes free.
Be a very sad day for the world if he doesn't.
Be a very sad day for the world if he doesn't.
Up the workers!
It’s not a matter of right or left. Powerful people oppose Assange regardless of party association because his organization has exposed powerful people.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:43 pmIt's nothing new that the right-wing don't like journalists or journalism.
Hillary Clinton wanted to kill him with a drone so it’s clearly not a Republican witch hunt.
Everybody in power loves journalism until it comes back to bite them.
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Don't think the poor bastard has much of a chance as London really cant afford to fall out with Wahington at the moment.
But, yes, one can hope.
But, yes, one can hope.
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I just couldn't resist sharing this missive from a good mate with you fine posters:
Frig, they couldn't be talking about the Council on Foreign Relations, could they?
Frig, they couldn't be talking about the Council on Foreign Relations, could they?
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'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
Attributed to Napoleon
Attributed to Napoleon
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The last point first. Fox news is not journalism, nor is InfoWars etc. What right-wing governments don't like is the truth coming out. Investigative journalism is an anathema to them, unless it's going to harm an opponent.Alexandra wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:47 pmIt’s not a matter of right or left. Powerful people oppose Assange regardless of party association because his organization has exposed powerful people.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:43 pmIt's nothing new that the right-wing don't like journalists or journalism.
Hillary Clinton wanted to kill him with a drone so it’s clearly not a Republican witch hunt.
Everybody in power loves journalism until it comes back to bite them.
My opinion will grate against most expats in Cambodia, but here it is in grossly over simplified form:
Well, that's depends on how you define right and left wing. For me it's fairly easy to define between the two groupings in general. A left-winger is someone who believes the individual works for society as a whole, including the old, sick, disabled, underprivileged as well as the wealthy. They believe in a strong government which controls certain important aspects of life - such as health and education.
A right-winger is someone who believes in pretty much the opposite of that. Strength of the individual, free-markets, inherited wealth bringing just rewards etc. and sees society and most government as a burden on their lives. Hence they believe in low taxation often because they can afford to send themselves and their families to private schools and hospitals etc.
Anyone who votes right-wing that hasn't got the money comes under another category. They believe in the idea of right-wing freedoms, a little like certain people believe in the idea of God. It's faith based as opposed to fact based.
As you can see, I don't think Clinton or the Democrats are true left-wingers.
Just my opinion.
Everyone feel free to thumbs down me.
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His case has been paused now until mid May.
It's worth noting that Julian was separated from his legal team, seated in a bullet-proof glass case and not permitted to interact with his lawyers. There were also times when he was unable to hear what was happening.
*no photo credit as it was taken surreptitiously from the public gallery.
It's worth noting that Julian was separated from his legal team, seated in a bullet-proof glass case and not permitted to interact with his lawyers. There were also times when he was unable to hear what was happening.
*no photo credit as it was taken surreptitiously from the public gallery.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... /#commentsOpening his argument, Edward Fitzgerald QC argued that the Extradition Act of 2003 alone is not enough to make an actual extradition.
The extradition requires two things in place; the general Extradition Act and the Extradition Treaty with the country or countries concerned.
“No Treaty, No Extradition” was an unbreakable rule.
The Treaty was the very basis of the request. So to say that the extradition was not governed by the terms of the very treaty under which it was made, was to create a legal absurdity and thus an abuse of process.
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There is very little reporting of this case.
Why has the hearing been adjourned till May, for example?
Why has the hearing been adjourned till May, for example?
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Craig Murray has been in the public gallery every day covering the case. It's late now in the UK and I expect we can hear more tomorrow.
I've copied this from one of the comments on Craig's website. This is above my paygrade but I think it demonstrates that there's clearly a problem that might take some time to rectify, hence the delay.Fitzgerald pointed out that while the Extradition Act of 2003 did not contain a bar on extraditions for political offences, it did not state there could not be such a bar in extradition treaties. And the extradition treaty of 2007 was ratified after the 2003 extradition act. . . .
In reply Lewis stated that a treaty could not be binding in English law unless specifically incorporated in English law by Parliament.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... /#commentsVery clearly, prosecution counsel Lewis and magistrate Baraitser are wrong, while defense attorney Fitzgerald is right.
No extradition treaty with any country has been explicitly incorporated into UK domestic law. The UK Extradition Act 2003 is a common ground for all treaties, all of them legally binding, without any of the different specific arrangements that apply to each country.
There is no mention of the United States or any other foreign countries in the currently in force UK Extradition Act 2003, excepting I think a few mentions of Hong Kong, now part of China. Nothing about the United States:
Extradition Act 2003 — legislation.gov.uk
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41
For the specifics about the United States, there is naturally the UK–US Extradition Treaty, in force since 2007:
Extradition Treaty between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the United States of America
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 6/7146.pdf
In the UK Extradition Act, there is only a classification into two groups of countries: “category 1 territories” (European Union countries) and “category 2 territories” (other countries that have signed different extradition “arrangements” with the United Kingdom, that is to say treaties). Apart from this, no differences in the Act for specific countries.
If Lewis and Baraitser were right, they could run to see Johnson, Corbyn, and the many other UK authorities and legal scholars who always complain about the unbalanced US extradition treaty, etc., and say to them: “Rejoice, no more worries, only the general UK Act applies to extraditions! All the different treaties with every country are just toilet tissue… It’s free bar, enjoy!” Completely absurd position.
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WikiLeaks Founder Charged in Superseding Indictment
New Allegations Assert Assange Conspired With “Anonymous” Affiliated Hackers, Among Others
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileak ... indictment
New Allegations Assert Assange Conspired With “Anonymous” Affiliated Hackers, Among Others
Full releaseA federal grand jury returned a second superseding indictment today charging Julian P. Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, with offenses that relate to Assange’s alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States.
The new indictment does not add additional counts to the prior 18-count superseding indictment returned against Assange in May 2019.
It does, however, broaden the scope of the conspiracy surrounding alleged computer intrusions with which Assange was previously charged.
According to the charging document, Assange and others at WikiLeaks recruited and agreed with hackers to commit computer intrusions to benefit WikiLeaks.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileak ... indictment
Extradition has been rejected because of inadequate conditions regarding mental health and suicide prevention in US maximum security prisons.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/ ... udge-rules
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/ ... udge-rules
Yeah, but the issue is that the reasons for the rejection can be easily overruled, when the US give additional "guarantees". The core acquisitions are considered valid (though that might change with appeal too).
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