War breaking out in Armenia/Azerbaijan
https://hetq.am/en/article/122472
This is very interesting stuff. The Armenians posted material, intercepted radio communications in Turkish with Russian and English transcripts.
For those who know Turkish it is very easy to distinguish the Azeri dialect from Istanbul Turkish. Azeri field commanders calling in air strikes. Turkish flight control at Gandja etc.
This shows that Turkish pilots are attacking along the entire front line. Turkey is a combatant. Which is further aggravated by the circumstance that civilian settlements are attacked with cluster munitions.
The start of the video is pretty cheesy and i just skipped it.
This is very interesting stuff. The Armenians posted material, intercepted radio communications in Turkish with Russian and English transcripts.
For those who know Turkish it is very easy to distinguish the Azeri dialect from Istanbul Turkish. Azeri field commanders calling in air strikes. Turkish flight control at Gandja etc.
This shows that Turkish pilots are attacking along the entire front line. Turkey is a combatant. Which is further aggravated by the circumstance that civilian settlements are attacked with cluster munitions.
The start of the video is pretty cheesy and i just skipped it.
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Finally got a message back from an Armenian friend. I started this thread on Sunday when he saw a missile fly over his village near Vardenis, and told me war was breaking out. The 28 year old was quickly conscripted back into the military, and I lost contact. Thankfully, he messaged me today is ok. In rough shape from 5 nights on the front line, needing a rest, so can’t talk much. He shared a few pics, I’ll post a few here. These include an army unit eating lunch, a cell phone Photo from an Armenian unit that clearly hit an advancing Azeri target, and the hole in the ground was his bed all week.
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Was also my reaction earlier this week when a battle tank exploded near infantry. Your friend is in the Northern sector which might be a good thing as the worst clashes take place in the South near the Iranian border.
Good luck to him.
Seems this weekend people have time to communicate I got an email with generalities. From that I conclude that they were told to be silent about assignments and locations.
Good luck to him.
Seems this weekend people have time to communicate I got an email with generalities. From that I conclude that they were told to be silent about assignments and locations.
The geographic and cultural boundaries of Europe are not identical and somewhat flexible. Comparing Armenia with, say, Britain might support arguments about being Asian, meaning different. Doing the same comparison with Bulgaria and results look not so clear cut.
Armenia is a post-Soviet society, has strong ties to Europe through its diaspora. On the governmental level Georgia's integration with the EU is closer, while Armenia is very close to Russian in terms of politics but also because a huge diaspora there.
Historically, many European families, those aristocrats, have Armenian ancestors as during the crusades local Armenian ladies were one of the few options single knights had. The pattern was replicated in the centuries following. People were in some perspective more open-minded than a segment of U.S. society is today.
Yerevan has an opera and all the blessings of classic East European urbanity.Problem is the lack of funds.
Back to the war. It seems that Artsakh has sent some rockets to Gandja airport which is need of repairs by now. This will hinder Turkish operations. The Azeri government was kind enough to post images showing Turkish military in Turkish uniforms onsite. This settles the issue for good. Turkish forces are operating in Azerbaijan as do Jihadists who were shipped there from Turkey (Antep) and Libya.
The Armenians have demonstrated that they can take out pipelines if they want.
Fighting concentrates again on the southern sector with less activity in the north. The Russian infantry based missiles appear to wreck more and more Azeri planes at the least the older types that cannot stay out of range. It will be interesting to see if Russia provides equipment that can do the same trick for F-16s.
My fear is that this will continue for some time. Azerbaijan has sustained heavy losses, as has Artsakh, but it has not much to show for so far. Even worse would be an advance along the border to Iran as this would explode into a regional war.
Armenia is a post-Soviet society, has strong ties to Europe through its diaspora. On the governmental level Georgia's integration with the EU is closer, while Armenia is very close to Russian in terms of politics but also because a huge diaspora there.
Historically, many European families, those aristocrats, have Armenian ancestors as during the crusades local Armenian ladies were one of the few options single knights had. The pattern was replicated in the centuries following. People were in some perspective more open-minded than a segment of U.S. society is today.
Yerevan has an opera and all the blessings of classic East European urbanity.Problem is the lack of funds.
Back to the war. It seems that Artsakh has sent some rockets to Gandja airport which is need of repairs by now. This will hinder Turkish operations. The Azeri government was kind enough to post images showing Turkish military in Turkish uniforms onsite. This settles the issue for good. Turkish forces are operating in Azerbaijan as do Jihadists who were shipped there from Turkey (Antep) and Libya.
The Armenians have demonstrated that they can take out pipelines if they want.
Fighting concentrates again on the southern sector with less activity in the north. The Russian infantry based missiles appear to wreck more and more Azeri planes at the least the older types that cannot stay out of range. It will be interesting to see if Russia provides equipment that can do the same trick for F-16s.
My fear is that this will continue for some time. Azerbaijan has sustained heavy losses, as has Artsakh, but it has not much to show for so far. Even worse would be an advance along the border to Iran as this would explode into a regional war.
Any videos coming from the Armenians? Or are they just doing the dying?
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With all due respect, seriously, as you’re extremely knowledgeable about this situation and I sincerely appreciative your inputs. But (there’s always a but), Armenia is not Europe.visistor-again wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:40 pmThe geographic and cultural boundaries of Europe are not identical and somewhat flexible. Comparing Armenia with, say, Britain might support arguments about being Asian, meaning different. Doing the same comparison with Bulgaria and results look not so clear cut.
Armenia is a post-Soviet society, has strong ties to Europe through its diaspora. On the governmental level Georgia's integration with the EU is closer, while Armenia is very close to Russian in terms of politics but also because a huge diaspora there.
Historically, many European families, those aristocrats, have Armenian ancestors as during the crusades local Armenian ladies were one of the few options single knights had. The pattern was replicated in the centuries following. People were in some perspective more open-minded than a segment of U.S. society is today.
Yerevan has an opera and all the blessings of classic East European urbanity.Problem is the lack of funds.
The Bosphorus Bridge (Boğaziçi Köprüsü), known officially as the 15 July Martyrs Bridge (15 Temmuz Şehitler Köprüsü) spans the Bosphorus strait (Boğaziçi) in Istanbul, Turkey, thus connecting Europe and Asia (alongside Fatih Sultan Mehmet Bridge and Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge). The bridge extends between Ortaköy (in Europe) and Beylerbeyi (in Asia). This is where the continents meet. Across the Bosphorus in Istanbul. We can’t then then say, “well Armenians are Christians so they’re in Europe” and ignore all geographical barriers. That’s not how geography works....
When the F1 started in Baku it was billed as a “European Grand Prix” but they’ve now changed the terminology and say “Asian Grand Prix”
The 1939s novel “Ali and Neno” and the love between an Azerbaijani and a Georgian teenager, who get married in the mountains of Degastan Ali says;
“I’d be just as unhappy in Paris
as you were in Persia.
Let's stay in Baku,
where Europe and Asia meet.
Ali Shirvanshir”
The author says;
“ ...in terms of human and cultural space,
there is no North and South Caucasus,
there is one Caucasus,
that belongs to Europe
and will one day join
the European family of free nations.
Mikheil Saakashvili”
As someone from there I’d call it Asia as does Wiki etc.
The 1939s novel “Ali and Neno” and the love between an Azerbaijani and a Georgian teenager, who get married in the mountains of Degastan Ali says;
“I’d be just as unhappy in Paris
as you were in Persia.
Let's stay in Baku,
where Europe and Asia meet.
Ali Shirvanshir”
The author says;
“ ...in terms of human and cultural space,
there is no North and South Caucasus,
there is one Caucasus,
that belongs to Europe
and will one day join
the European family of free nations.
Mikheil Saakashvili”
As someone from there I’d call it Asia as does Wiki etc.
pew, pew, pew, pew!
Europe and Asia are a social construct. Lisbon and Shanghai are both on the same continent.Miguelito wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:24 pmWith all due respect, seriously, as you’re extremely knowledgeable about this situation and I sincerely appreciative your inputs. But (there’s always a but), Armenia is not Europe.visistor-again wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:40 pmThe geographic and cultural boundaries of Europe are not identical and somewhat flexible. Comparing Armenia with, say, Britain might support arguments about being Asian, meaning different. Doing the same comparison with Bulgaria and results look not so clear cut.
Armenia is a post-Soviet society, has strong ties to Europe through its diaspora. On the governmental level Georgia's integration with the EU is closer, while Armenia is very close to Russian in terms of politics but also because a huge diaspora there.
Historically, many European families, those aristocrats, have Armenian ancestors as during the crusades local Armenian ladies were one of the few options single knights had. The pattern was replicated in the centuries following. People were in some perspective more open-minded than a segment of U.S. society is today.
Yerevan has an opera and all the blessings of classic East European urbanity.Problem is the lack of funds.
The Bosphorus Bridge (Boğaziçi Köprüsü), known officially as the 15 July Martyrs Bridge (15 Temmuz Şehitler Köprüsü) spans the Bosphorus strait (Boğaziçi) in Istanbul, Turkey, thus connecting Europe and Asia (alongside Fatih Sultan Mehmet Bridge and Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge). The bridge extends between Ortaköy (in Europe) and Beylerbeyi (in Asia). This is where the continents meet. Across the Bosphorus in Istanbul. We can’t then then say, “well Armenians are Christians so they’re in Europe” and ignore all geographical barriers. That’s not how geography works....
Israel/Lebanon are also technically African.
*Doffs geography teacher hat and rubs leather elbow patches on tweed jacket.
Back to the war, it seems these Balkan/Caucasus types do go all out when it comes to Turkmen/Islam Vs. Orthodox/Slavics. Hopefully no repeats of Chechnya/Bosnia/Kosovo and the like as far as ethnic cleansing goes, but it doesn't look too bright for the folks there, and winter would be brutal enough without surviving in a warzone.
i have no dog in this fight but my money is on azerbajain reaching their stated goals.
Turkey is in nato and as such will be assisting the azeris with great professionalism.
The snow cant come soon enough for some.
Turkey is in nato and as such will be assisting the azeris with great professionalism.
The snow cant come soon enough for some.
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Turkey is certainly extending their influence and playing all of their cards. They are expanding their military presence in Syria, involved with Libya, involved in this conflict, and pissing off the Greeks in the Eastern Med. They have certainly put the nail in the coffin on trying to enter the EU, and currently face EU sanctions. Not sure where their endgame is at.Rocketeer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:57 amTurkey is in nato and as such will be assisting the azeris with great professionalism.
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