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Post by v12 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:41 pm

scobienz wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:42 pm
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For a second time - because you didn’t read it first time - I’m not saying that some of the rioters didn’t have a plan. It is clear they did.

I’m saying that it’s a stretch to suggest that Trump is behind it. He is incapable of planning. He saw the riots, got excited by them and couldn’t understand why his aides weren’t similarly excited. He totally misread it. He is guilty of being stupid and irresponsible.

Most of the people who entered the building looked to me like a bunch of semi regarded hicks, wandering aimlessly around wondering what to do next. They fact they were taking selfies shows how dumb they were. The real insurrection it’s used them as a shield.
Regarded or Retarded ?

Trumpie is a genius in strategic and opportunistic thinking, he has shown he is way ahead with that. The fact his plans largely fail, is more due to the outright stupid targets he wants to accomplish, not due to the -usually difficult to implement- ideas itself.

Trumpie is also superb in playing his influence cards. Look at all those high-profile Republicans, he got in his pocket. Not to say, all those people who "follow the leader", without asking questions. Trumpie is simply that much ahead with his thinking AND is very good at playing the personal card, that he simply convinces all his compatriots to do what he wants them to do. That's called demagogic .....

Trumpie gave the instructions to go to Capitol Hill, to prevent the Biden elect confirmation. Just in general but violent terms. He did not have to go there, he demagogued the retards to act. He played that card for 2 months, these retards go for their holy leader.

I repeat: "As a show-master, this is just planned, he knows all about crowd influencing to let the crowd do what you want. Once you've seen this happening at shows (commanded applause), you see how easy it is to get the "enthusiast" crowd do what you want."
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Post by kinard » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:57 am

In short, he's incompetent, save for rarking up a few thousand pseudo-revolutionary delusionists.
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Post by Fred Edwards » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:39 am

Is the storming of the capital building any worse than dressing up as Indians and throwing tea into the sea?
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Post by v12 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:53 am

kinard wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:57 am
In short, he's incompetent, save for rarking up a few thousand pseudo-revolutionary delusionists.
Depends on how you define "incompetent".

Just like Hitler, Trumpie is a genius in the actions to reach his goals. However, his goals are, just like Hitler, despicable.

This type of people are very good to "convince" brainless people of the legitimacy of their goals (and usually a large part of that brainless Mob does have the same targets, often called White-supremacy, though effectively, it does not have to do that much to do with "white" skin color itself, though that is another discussion).

So, include the results of their goals, and it does look pretty incompetent (wrong priorities) for those who don't support the goals, and it looks ingenious for those who support the goals.
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Post by convoluted » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:32 am

Dems need to remember that after the last time they impeached Trump he gained 12 million more voters.

Oh, and there's this from Pelosi 5/7/17 re. the 2016 Trump triumph:

Dana Loesch
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Uh oh Twitter why is this allowed?

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Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.
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Post by Orichá » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:53 am

I am amused to think some people think that an opportunist like Trump is a genius. He merely twists and turns things and stokes the flames. Anybody who is a prick can do that. And, because he does it with a steady stream of lies built upon self-delusions and egomaniacal fantasies of power, he looks even dumber.

I don't expect you will hear much about Trump after a few months have passed. I would be surprised if you heard anything about him next year this time, unless it's some trial in court. His hangers-on have the attention span and intellect of insects: they will soon find some other YouTube conspiracy jibber-jabber to obsess over within a few weeks after the clown is out of office...
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Post by Guest » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:55 pm

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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Post by scobienz » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:38 pm

convoluted wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:32 am
Dems need to remember that after the last time they impeached Trump he gained 12 million more voters.

Oh, and there's this from Pelosi 5/7/17 re. the 2016 Trump triumph:

Dana Loesch
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Uh oh Twitter why is this allowed?

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Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.
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It feels like you’ve given up. It was only recently you were proudly proclaiming that the GOP would reveal all the election fraud evidence on Jan 6.

How did that work out?
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Post by v12 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:13 pm

Orichá wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:53 am
I am amused to think some people think that an opportunist like Trump is a genius. He merely twists and turns things and stokes the flames. Anybody who is a prick can do that. And, because he does it with a steady stream of lies built upon self-delusions and egomaniacal fantasies of power, he looks even dumber.
Do you really think, somebody with the qualifications you give, is able to fool out all Republican top-brass, his 2016 electorate, another 7M people in 2020 and become president of the USA ?
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Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:53 am
I don't expect you will hear much about Trump after a few months have passed. I would be surprised if you heard anything about him next year this time, unless it's some trial in court. His hangers-on have the attention span and intellect of insects: they will soon find some other YouTube conspiracy jibber-jabber to obsess over within a few weeks after the clown is out of office...
For sure, Trumpie is ousted everywhere more or less neutral now, even Pompeo is no longer welcome in Europe/Luxembourg.
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Post by v12 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:15 pm

scobienz wrote: ↑
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How did that work out?
Rhetoric question ?
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Post by v12 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:27 pm

v12 wrote: ↑
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It becomes more and more clear, Trumpies' plan was to slaughter some 70% of the Congress, including his Lieutenant Pence. No more political opponents, all democratic instances decapitated for a long time and chaos all over the place. No State/Federal laws which tell how things should go on. Oh and SCOTUS in his pocket.
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Evidence of this seems to start hitting the major news channel, including clear plans to slaughter all house Democrats and the unfaithful Republicans. Let us see, what comes up at CNN, once the Senate impeachment is sent to the Congress.

Top military brass does warn its own organization, to be faithful to the Constitution and not support "The Mob", hilarious, this is possible. It certainly needs a rewrite of the impeachment process, which until now, did go along the party lines instead of reality.
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Post by convoluted » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:05 am

scobienz wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:38 pm
It feels like you’ve given up. It was only recently you were proudly proclaiming that the GOP would reveal all the election fraud evidence on Jan 6.

How did that work out?
Of course it’s all over.
I said I didn’t expect a positive result.

And I said the Repubs would need to present a compelling argument to justify their attempted 10-day audit of the election. That was done.

In his speech outside, Trump outlined the specific instances that needed to be investigated. It was quite some list.

Inside, the Repubs had started putting the Dems on the spot before the rude interruption.

The idiots who barged in damaged their own side, not just through the image they portrayed, but by taking all emphasis off the conflicting Dem-Repub presentations.

Ted Cruz had started with the powerful argument that with near-40 per cent of the American electorate (including some Dems and Independents) convinced of skulduggery in the electoral process, then it was essential going forward that this be cleared up immediately. He pointed out that the Dems had nothing to fear if the process in the battlefield states had been legitimate.

All Jerry Nadler could trot out in response was the normal meaningless Dem prattle.

And that’s as far as it got before all attention went elsewhere.
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Post by kinard » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:18 am

Trump impeached for second time

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55645957
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Post by convoluted » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:50 am

kinard wrote: ↑
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Trump impeached for second time ...
Given that the American Usama Bin Laden heads a cult of 75 million white supremacist domestic terrorists, then impeachment was an act of sacred duty.
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