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It’s pretty obvious that the QAnon shaman copied the war paint from Norwegian black metal artist Abbath. Abbath looks better wearing his though.
The shaman’s tattoos look like he made them himself.
The shaman’s tattoos look like he made them himself.
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scobienz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:06 pmThis image is extraordinary. These are the type of people who were allowed to storm the Capitol building yesterday.
The idiot in the middle with the weird costume is Jake Angeli, a familiar figure at Trump rallies and a nutter who is known in far right circles as the QAnon Shaman.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
What ever drugs he's on, i don't want any.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:21 pmscobienz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:06 pmThis image is extraordinary. These are the type of people who were allowed to storm the Capitol building yesterday.
The idiot in the middle with the weird costume is Jake Angeli, a familiar figure at Trump rallies and a nutter who is known in far right circles as the QAnon Shaman.
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Invoking the 25th Amendment.
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Donald Trump is 'a very dangerous person' who must be removed from office
The 25th Amendment explained: What it says, how it works and can Trump be removed?
Laurence Arnold08:36, Jan 08 2021
With only 13 days left in office, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called on Donald Trump to be removed immediately.
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called on Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment and oust President Donald Trump from office.
The 25th amendment to the US Constitution provides an avenue for a president to be removed from the helm of government -- temporarily or for good, willingly or not -- when necessary under extraordinary circumstances.
At times during Trump's tumultuous term, his critics have cited the amendment approvingly, even wishfully, while reviewing what they consider his erratic behaviour.
It was discussed anew after Trump was diagnosed with Covid-19. The siege of the US Capitol by Trump supporters again raised the topic, even with Trump in his final weeks as president.
Can Trump be removed from office?
1. What does the 25th amendment say?
It clarifies that the vice president becomes acting president when a president becomes unable to carry out his duties -- when, say, the president undergoes major surgery. It also provides that a president can be removed if the vice president and a majority of the cabinet determine he or she is "unable to discharge the powers and duties" of the office.
If the president contests the finding, and the vice president and cabinet persist, US Congress can order the president's removal by a two-thirds vote in both chambers.
2. Why does this exist?
To address some questions about presidential and vice presidential succession that the Constitution didn't specifically answer. The amendment was approved by Congress in 1965, and ratified by the requisite three-quarters of US states by 1967, in response to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
In the immediate confusion following the shooting of Kennedy, there were tense questions about who would run the country should he survive but only in a semiconscious or otherwise grievously wounded condition.
3. Has the amendment been used before?
Never to permanently remove a sitting president. Presidents have voluntarily invoked it to temporarily hand control to their vice presidents. George W. Bush did it twice in order to undergo medical procedures, and Ronald Reagan once, for colon surgery.
The amendment also covers instances in which the vice presidency becomes vacant and has been used twice for that purpose. (Before the amendment took effect, the US occasionally went long periods without any vice president.) In 1973, after Spiro Agnew was forced to resign because of tax-evasion charges, President Richard Nixon nominated Representative Gerald Ford to become vice president.
He was approved by the House and Senate. After Nixon resigned the following year, Ford became president and nominated Nelson Rockefeller, a former governor of New York, as vice president. He was confirmed by Congress.
An American flag hangs at the West Lawn of the US Capitol building in Washington, DC.
Graeme Sloan/Bloomberg
An American flag hangs at the West Lawn of the US Capitol building in Washington, DC.
4. Why is it coming up now?
Amid the backlash against Trump for inciting protesters over his election defeat, some are calling for his removal before his term ends on January 20. Vice President Mike Pence "should seriously consider working with the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment to preserve democracy," said National Association of Manufacturers President Jay Timmons.
Eighteen Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee, in a letter to Pence reported by the Wall Street Journal, said Trump's "willingness to incite violence and social unrest to overturn the election results by force" makes him unable to carry out his duties.
A Republican House member, Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, said Trump is "unfit" and "unwell" and needs to be removed "for the sake of our democracy." A Miami Herald editorial declared Trump "incapacitated," "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" and "a deranged and dangerous man."
5. How did the amendment come up previously under Trump?
The New York Times and ABC News reported in 2018 that the then-deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, had discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the amendment to remove Trump from office. (Rosenstein denied the account and told the Times he saw "no basis" to invoke the amendment.)
Weeks earlier, the Times had published an op-ed by a person identified only as "a senior official in the Trump administration" who wrote, "Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until -- one way or another -- it's over
Source: Bloomberg.
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Donald Trump is 'a very dangerous person' who must be removed from office
The 25th Amendment explained: What it says, how it works and can Trump be removed?
Laurence Arnold08:36, Jan 08 2021
With only 13 days left in office, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called on Donald Trump to be removed immediately.
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called on Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment and oust President Donald Trump from office.
The 25th amendment to the US Constitution provides an avenue for a president to be removed from the helm of government -- temporarily or for good, willingly or not -- when necessary under extraordinary circumstances.
At times during Trump's tumultuous term, his critics have cited the amendment approvingly, even wishfully, while reviewing what they consider his erratic behaviour.
It was discussed anew after Trump was diagnosed with Covid-19. The siege of the US Capitol by Trump supporters again raised the topic, even with Trump in his final weeks as president.
Can Trump be removed from office?
1. What does the 25th amendment say?
It clarifies that the vice president becomes acting president when a president becomes unable to carry out his duties -- when, say, the president undergoes major surgery. It also provides that a president can be removed if the vice president and a majority of the cabinet determine he or she is "unable to discharge the powers and duties" of the office.
If the president contests the finding, and the vice president and cabinet persist, US Congress can order the president's removal by a two-thirds vote in both chambers.
2. Why does this exist?
To address some questions about presidential and vice presidential succession that the Constitution didn't specifically answer. The amendment was approved by Congress in 1965, and ratified by the requisite three-quarters of US states by 1967, in response to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
In the immediate confusion following the shooting of Kennedy, there were tense questions about who would run the country should he survive but only in a semiconscious or otherwise grievously wounded condition.
3. Has the amendment been used before?
Never to permanently remove a sitting president. Presidents have voluntarily invoked it to temporarily hand control to their vice presidents. George W. Bush did it twice in order to undergo medical procedures, and Ronald Reagan once, for colon surgery.
The amendment also covers instances in which the vice presidency becomes vacant and has been used twice for that purpose. (Before the amendment took effect, the US occasionally went long periods without any vice president.) In 1973, after Spiro Agnew was forced to resign because of tax-evasion charges, President Richard Nixon nominated Representative Gerald Ford to become vice president.
He was approved by the House and Senate. After Nixon resigned the following year, Ford became president and nominated Nelson Rockefeller, a former governor of New York, as vice president. He was confirmed by Congress.
An American flag hangs at the West Lawn of the US Capitol building in Washington, DC.
Graeme Sloan/Bloomberg
An American flag hangs at the West Lawn of the US Capitol building in Washington, DC.
4. Why is it coming up now?
Amid the backlash against Trump for inciting protesters over his election defeat, some are calling for his removal before his term ends on January 20. Vice President Mike Pence "should seriously consider working with the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment to preserve democracy," said National Association of Manufacturers President Jay Timmons.
Eighteen Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee, in a letter to Pence reported by the Wall Street Journal, said Trump's "willingness to incite violence and social unrest to overturn the election results by force" makes him unable to carry out his duties.
A Republican House member, Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, said Trump is "unfit" and "unwell" and needs to be removed "for the sake of our democracy." A Miami Herald editorial declared Trump "incapacitated," "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" and "a deranged and dangerous man."
5. How did the amendment come up previously under Trump?
The New York Times and ABC News reported in 2018 that the then-deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, had discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the amendment to remove Trump from office. (Rosenstein denied the account and told the Times he saw "no basis" to invoke the amendment.)
Weeks earlier, the Times had published an op-ed by a person identified only as "a senior official in the Trump administration" who wrote, "Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until -- one way or another -- it's over
Source: Bloomberg.
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It’s unlikely to happen in my view. Even if it did there isn’t really time for the process to play out. It’s being mooted because invoking it means that Pence would be given the presidency for the last two weeks, to prevent Trump doing anything else stupid.
The other argument is that mooted as a threat, hoping the prospect scares Trump into behaving normally. Sadly that isn’t in his psychological makeup.
The other argument is that mooted as a threat, hoping the prospect scares Trump into behaving normally. Sadly that isn’t in his psychological makeup.
Agree, unlikely given only 12 days to go, though he can still be impeached after his presidency has ended. If impeached he would only be prevented from any further political activity which would be no big deal for him.
All academic really, because he'll be charged for other transgressions.
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It's a shame that England isn't still calling the shots the free world would be in much better hands
"It's a shame that England isn't still calling the shots the free world would be in much better hands"
Evidenced by their current enviable situation.
Evidenced by their current enviable situation.
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Is trumps latest statement, his video condemning the recent actions his strongest worded statement against his supporters ever?
Has someone managed to explain to him that he has shit the bed and needs to walk it back a bit?
Has someone managed to explain to him that he has shit the bed and needs to walk it back a bit?
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I assume you mean (a) managing to convince everyone to lock down again and (b) rolling out a vaccination program incredibly quickly, whilst the US can't seem to achieve either of those things even though they're not dealing with a new and (apparently) far more infectious strain?Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:59 am"It's a shame that England isn't still calling the shots the free world would be in much better hands"
Evidenced by their current enviable situation.
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Lol. I didn't pick up on the sarcasm for some reason, but maybe you're right.wibblewibble wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:49 amStarving Pelican's sarcasm meter is broken
A fifth person has died as a result of the riots. This time it’s one of the US Capitol Police.
Here’s an irony: last year Trump signed an executive order mandating a ten year prison sentence for anyone attacking, damaging or desecrating federal buildings or monuments. Perhaps though it was only meant for black protestors attacking monuments of slave owners, and not for his fine people. Let’s see.
Here’s an irony: last year Trump signed an executive order mandating a ten year prison sentence for anyone attacking, damaging or desecrating federal buildings or monuments. Perhaps though it was only meant for black protestors attacking monuments of slave owners, and not for his fine people. Let’s see.
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