Brexit: a disaster?
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Brexit: a disaster?
As a Canadian I don't often catch the nuances of inside chatter between Brits like trashing of northern cities, or people that live there. This article is quite insiteful.
"Britain today is a poor and divided country. Parts of London and the southeast of England might be among the wealthiest places on the planet, but swaths of northern England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are among Western Europe’s poorest."
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ource=feed
"Britain today is a poor and divided country. Parts of London and the southeast of England might be among the wealthiest places on the planet, but swaths of northern England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are among Western Europe’s poorest."
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ource=feed
SQUAWK!!!!
I get the impression that a lot more northerners end up in Cambodia lately. Also Scottish, Irish. Anybody else feel this?
“6 years on” nope. It’s been 2.5 years since UK left.
Plus that Union Flag isn’t correct.
Bad journo!
Plus that Union Flag isn’t correct.
Bad journo!
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Those places have been shit as far as I can remember (roughly the 70s, so older timers feel free to chip in!) - so "same same" I would say.
If Brexit was meant to prevent UK decisions being made in Brussels, at a severe initial economic cost, then it's probably still on track. Throw in COVID and a pretty dire economic outlook globally, not just UK, it all just looks the same as it always has to me. #SNAFU.
If Brexit was meant to prevent UK decisions being made in Brussels, at a severe initial economic cost, then it's probably still on track. Throw in COVID and a pretty dire economic outlook globally, not just UK, it all just looks the same as it always has to me. #SNAFU.
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Yeah, only the most naive brexiteers (of which admittedly there were plenty) thought there would be no downside. I thinkSpigzy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:05 amThose places have been shit as far as I can remember (roughly the 70s, so older timers feel free to chip in!) - so "same same" I would say.
If Brexit was meant to prevent UK decisions being made in Brussels, at a severe initial economic cost, then it's probably still on track. Throw in COVID and a pretty dire economic outlook globally, not just UK, it all just looks the same as it always has to me. #SNAFU.
Most reasonable people with a modicum of intelligence knew there would be negative implications.
Coupled with Covid it has hit hard, Hardline Remainers want to say ‘I told you so’ but Brexit+Covid could not have been foreseen.
Brexit has not delivered what was promised (it never could) but to say it’s all Brexits fault is just wrong.
Brexit is making cost of living crisis worse, new study claims
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... udy-claims
It's just the Guardian, but where's one to turn for impartial news nowadays?
I do know Britain is fucked though. Ok, maybe not for the 1%. But for most other people it's dire and likely people will start losing their homes soon.
Could be worse. Could be Ukraine or Somalia.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... udy-claims
It's just the Guardian, but where's one to turn for impartial news nowadays?
I do know Britain is fucked though. Ok, maybe not for the 1%. But for most other people it's dire and likely people will start losing their homes soon.
Could be worse. Could be Ukraine or Somalia.
Brexit has clearly compounded the problems, so we are dealing not only with the global issues but we have the Brexit bonanza on top. That is why our airports are in crisis, while Europe is largely fine. Just yesterday the CEO of EasyJet said the company has had to reject 8000 qualified job applicants because Brexit means they can no longer work in the U.K.
Brexit is why farmers have had to leave crops rotting on fields - no EU Labour to pick it. Brexit is why the fishing industry (so keen on Brexit initially) are complaining that they can’t sell to Europe because of paperwork and tariffs makes it more expensive.
Well, who would have thought?
Brexit is why farmers have had to leave crops rotting on fields - no EU Labour to pick it. Brexit is why the fishing industry (so keen on Brexit initially) are complaining that they can’t sell to Europe because of paperwork and tariffs makes it more expensive.
Well, who would have thought?
Here is a good example of the impact of Brexit. It’s hard tangible fact, not nuanced rhetoric out about by Remainers or Leavers.
Given the collapse of investment, is anyone surprised the U.K. is faring worse than their European counterparts? Yes it collapsed in 2020. But what happened in 2016?
Yes. We are all struggling around the world, but only one country out further restrictions on its ability to rebound.
And for those who see bias everywhere, this is from the Financial Times.
Given the collapse of investment, is anyone surprised the U.K. is faring worse than their European counterparts? Yes it collapsed in 2020. But what happened in 2016?
Yes. We are all struggling around the world, but only one country out further restrictions on its ability to rebound.
And for those who see bias everywhere, this is from the Financial Times.
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Terry Wogan died.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:59 pmBut what happened in 2016?
It hit us all hard.
I think the most laughable thing is that no-one can agree on the unemployment figures or job numbers.
Depending on who you talk to you will hear that there are enough jobs for every person in Britain, or the unemployment figure just went up 500,000 to reach 1,500,000.
I am wondering how many of those jobs for every person are being filled by immigrant workers as there seems to be an immense amount of them filling roles from warehouse pickers to restaurant managers etc. There are a lot of immigrants still coming to Britain from India who are taking their managers to tribunals because they want to work 14 hour days, 7 days a week, not understanding that there are laws against such things
Depending on who you talk to you will hear that there are enough jobs for every person in Britain, or the unemployment figure just went up 500,000 to reach 1,500,000.
I am wondering how many of those jobs for every person are being filled by immigrant workers as there seems to be an immense amount of them filling roles from warehouse pickers to restaurant managers etc. There are a lot of immigrants still coming to Britain from India who are taking their managers to tribunals because they want to work 14 hour days, 7 days a week, not understanding that there are laws against such things
JollyBee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:06 pmI think the most laughable thing is that no-one can agree on the unemployment figures or job numbers.
Depending on who you talk to you will hear that there are enough jobs for every person in Britain, or the unemployment figure just went up 500,000 to reach 1,500,000.
I am wondering how many of those jobs for every person are being filled by immigrant workers as there seems to be an immense amount of them filling roles from warehouse pickers to restaurant managers etc. There are a lot of immigrants still coming to Britain from India who are taking their managers to tribunals because they want to work 14 hour days, 7 days a week, not understanding that there are laws against such things
Both those issues re employment are correct. There are record numbers of vacancies in all kinds of areas, especially health, hospitality, transport, retail etc.
There is also increasing unemployment because the British do not want to do those jobs, jobs that in many cases were done by Europeans who have gone home. Unfortunately, we have a welfare system that facilitates people to sit on benefits despite there being unemployment.
One needs to look at GDP as it's a leading indicator.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:39 pmJollyBee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:06 pmI think the most laughable thing is that no-one can agree on the unemployment figures or job numbers.
Depending on who you talk to you will hear that there are enough jobs for every person in Britain, or the unemployment figure just went up 500,000 to reach 1,500,000.
I am wondering how many of those jobs for every person are being filled by immigrant workers as there seems to be an immense amount of them filling roles from warehouse pickers to restaurant managers etc. There are a lot of immigrants still coming to Britain from India who are taking their managers to tribunals because they want to work 14 hour days, 7 days a week, not understanding that there are laws against such things
Both those issues re employment are correct. There are record numbers of vacancies in all kinds of areas, especially health, hospitality, transport, retail etc.
There is also increasing unemployment because the British do not want to do those jobs, jobs that in many cases were done by Europeans who have gone home. Unfortunately, we have a welfare system that facilitates people to sit on benefits despite there being unemployment.
I think this may clear up the sort of thinking above.
Weak UK pay and jobs figures hint at tougher times ahead.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... mp;amp;amp
As far as UK citizens preferring the dole to working, I think they've made that unfeasible by bringing in universal credit. Far less money.
I also know several white British 60+ yolds that have been trying for any work for at least 6 months now. They aren't even making it to interview. The ones that have been interviewed report that it's Indian team leaders in Tesco warehouses that want to make bonus. Therefore, they are looking for other immigrants that would earn a month's wage in their own country for a day's work in the UK. Not some old guy. The ageism law is more about employers keeping older employees on instead of firing/retiring them. But what do I know?
Britain's formerly very large EFL sector has also been decimated. Covid was obviously the main culprit until the beginning of this year.
But brexit has amplified and exacerbated the problem as literally hundreds of thousands of young European learners have been opting to spend their school holidays and school trips elsewhere like Ireland, Malta, Canada and the US.
Airport and rail chaos that have been making headlines haven't helped, but it's mostly the new brexit obligation to have a passport to enter the UK that has been detrimental to school tours and individual study travel. The average 15 year old European doesn't carry a passport as national IDs are good enough to travel throughout the EU, Cyprus, Turkey etc. It hasn't only affected the efl sector but coach and tour companies, accommodation providers, entertainment and leisure companies that were dependent on young foreign students that had been hammered during covid, are suffering what could be a final blow. Places in the South like Brighton and Bournemouth have been particularly hit, and I suspect Cambridge Oxford and even London will be struggling this summer in respect to EU inbound & study travel.
As for the education sector like further education colleges and HE institutions, which traditionally had been a major export as a service industry, the ridiculous cost of getting a student visa (close to 1, 000£) has already been generating dire consequences. In some institutions what used to be a very international student body is now limited to Indians and Arabic students.
But brexit has amplified and exacerbated the problem as literally hundreds of thousands of young European learners have been opting to spend their school holidays and school trips elsewhere like Ireland, Malta, Canada and the US.
Airport and rail chaos that have been making headlines haven't helped, but it's mostly the new brexit obligation to have a passport to enter the UK that has been detrimental to school tours and individual study travel. The average 15 year old European doesn't carry a passport as national IDs are good enough to travel throughout the EU, Cyprus, Turkey etc. It hasn't only affected the efl sector but coach and tour companies, accommodation providers, entertainment and leisure companies that were dependent on young foreign students that had been hammered during covid, are suffering what could be a final blow. Places in the South like Brighton and Bournemouth have been particularly hit, and I suspect Cambridge Oxford and even London will be struggling this summer in respect to EU inbound & study travel.
As for the education sector like further education colleges and HE institutions, which traditionally had been a major export as a service industry, the ridiculous cost of getting a student visa (close to 1, 000£) has already been generating dire consequences. In some institutions what used to be a very international student body is now limited to Indians and Arabic students.
Student visas cost under £400 (maybe you’re adding the health surcharge which was to stop medical tourism and nothing to do with Brexit) and some returning students or students with family members already resident don’t pay anything.
Where did you get £1000 from?
To be fair I have no idea if it was a "disaster" (bit early to tell, non?) as I have not been back for many years since pre covid.
And also I do not give a fig. I have zero figs to give. My bag is devoid of figs.
Where did you get £1000 from?
To be fair I have no idea if it was a "disaster" (bit early to tell, non?) as I have not been back for many years since pre covid.
And also I do not give a fig. I have zero figs to give. My bag is devoid of figs.
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