It's all about TSMC. That is what US wants to protect. That is what China wants to secure.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
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Below is a list highlighting 15 of China’s top trading partners in terms of export sales. That is, these countries imported the most Chinese shipments by dollar value during 2021. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Chinese exports.Harold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 pmThe Chinese aren't "utterly dependent" on trade with the west but their quality of life would take a major hit if there was a falling out. They survived as an impoverished autarky for decades under Mao. The country is far better off nowadays than it was after WWII but the people have far higher expectations and the Party promises every Chinese citizen the right to live a decent life. The Party has also taught Chinese citizens about their position in the world and the importance of Taiwan. It is an existential problem for the Chinese and every Chinese I've talked to knows this fact. The Chinese will fight like hell and tighten their belts if it comes to that because they understand that the issue over Taiwan is fundamentally about whether or not Chinese people have a right to exist.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:10 pmThey may serve as a warning to other authoritarian states if they act on their threats.Harold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:17 pmThe Chinese people are ready for war. They have been bullied and oppressed by the racist west for centuries and this visit is another provocation and another slap in the face of 1.4 billion Chinese. The Chinese military is rapidly modernizing and in some areas has already exceeded the racist imperial powers.
The liberation of Taiwan will probably happen in this decade because of the hubris and stupidity of western politicians.
They are utterly dependent on trade with Europe and USA.
https://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas ... -partners/
Wrong! Utterly depemdent.
United States: US$521 billion (17.2% of China’s total exports)
Hong Kong: $313.1 billion (10.3%)
Japan: $151.3 billion (5%)
South Korea: $135.1 billion (4.5%)
Vietnam: $125.8 billion (4.2%)
Germany: $103 billion (3.4%)
Netherlands: $91.6 billion (3%)
India: $87.9 billion (2.9%)
United Kingdom: $78.8 billion (2.6%)
Taiwan: $70.8 billion (2.3%)
Malaysia: $69.1 billion (2.3%)
Thailand: $62.1 billion (2.1%)
Mexico: $61.1 billion (2%)
Australia: $59.6 billion (2%)
Russia: $59.5 billion (2%)
When you put it like that, I can see the attraction.
Had to Google that.rektj00 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:17 amIt's all about TSMC. That is what US wants to protect. That is what China wants to secure.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
Possibly but it can't be about the tech.
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I don't see how an invasion of Taiwan would secure the tech. TSMC has probably planned ahead; it has probably secured its tech offshore as well, and will probably destroy its facilities in Taiwan in the event of an invasion. Of course there's a possibility that China may get lucky but I doubt the risk-return analysis based on probability would yield positive results.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:47 amHad to Google that.rektj00 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:17 amIt's all about TSMC. That is what US wants to protect. That is what China wants to secure.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
Possibly but it can't be about the tech.
China's interest in Taiwan is more to do with the legitimacy of the CCP, as the latter has always based its heavy-handed rule on the premise that democracy is incompatible with Chinese culture; Taiwan negates that theory. There's also the benefit of the expanded reach in the South China Sea should China be successful.
But the above is all a moot point - China more or less uses Taiwan as a distraction from domestic woes and probably has no plans to invade.
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YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
I quite liked Taiwan. Lots of nature, great birding, great food, very friendly people (very unlike their mainland cousins). Hope to go back one day.
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I don’t think China give a fig about any companies that may be there. They just don’t want it to be aligned with the west.Starving Pelican wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:29 pmI don't see how an invasion of Taiwan would secure the tech. TSMC has probably planned ahead; it has probably secured its tech offshore as well, and will probably destroy its facilities in Taiwan in the event of an invasion. Of course there's a possibility that China may get lucky but I doubt the risk-return analysis based on probability would yield positive results.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:47 amHad to Google that.rektj00 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:17 amIt's all about TSMC. That is what US wants to protect. That is what China wants to secure.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
Possibly but it can't be about the tech.
China's interest in Taiwan is more to do with the legitimacy of the CCP, as the latter has always based its heavy-handed rule on the premise that democracy is incompatible with Chinese culture; Taiwan negates that theory. There's also the benefit of the expanded reach in the South China Sea should China be successful.
But the above is all a moot point - China more or less uses Taiwan as a distraction from domestic woes and probably has no plans to invade.
It’s the South Seas only the west call it the South China Sea!
I don’t even think Taiwan call it that.
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I guess.Hanno wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:41 pmYaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
I quite liked Taiwan. Lots of nature, great birding, great food, very friendly people (very unlike their mainland cousins). Hope to go back one day.
I was on a tight tour schedule with a coach load of Cambodians (I was the only westerner) and witnessed the locals ripping off the gullible Cambodians.
The old chestnut of pressure selling and them thinking it was an amazing deal everywhere we went!
It was also bloody “cold”.
The coach trip through the twisty mountains was ace. I think the driver needed a pee and thought he was in the Italian Job.
The tour guide had to tell him to slow down because his passengers were puking up. Lol.
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The Chinese are rapidly advancing in the field of semiconductors. They are already producing and selling 7nm chips. I think the Chinese have the brainpower to fill the gap sometime in this decade with or without Taiwan.Starving Pelican wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:29 pmI don't see how an invasion of Taiwan would secure the tech. TSMC has probably planned ahead; it has probably secured its tech offshore as well, and will probably destroy its facilities in Taiwan in the event of an invasion. Of course there's a possibility that China may get lucky but I doubt the risk-return analysis based on probability would yield positive results.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:47 amHad to Google that.rektj00 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:17 amIt's all about TSMC. That is what US wants to protect. That is what China wants to secure.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:00 amI was underwhelmed by Taiwan. I wanted to like it but it was just a bit dull.
Apart from the 101 tower some nice mountains and an impressive pagoda that was it. Taipei was really drab apart from the business district/downtown.
China can have it. Maybe they’ll inject some much needed culture.
Possibly but it can't be about the tech.
China's interest in Taiwan is more to do with the legitimacy of the CCP, as the latter has always based its heavy-handed rule on the premise that democracy is incompatible with Chinese culture; Taiwan negates that theory. There's also the benefit of the expanded reach in the South China Sea should China be successful.
But the above is all a moot point - China more or less uses Taiwan as a distraction from domestic woes and probably has no plans to invade.
The legitimacy of the CCP is at stake but democracy is not the issue. Democracy is one of the core socialist values that the CCP promotes and the CCP uses the democratic centralist process to elect its leaders.
The CCP will likely liberate in the next ten years but I doubt that they have prepared adequately. An amphibious assault is a massive undertaking that will require at least a few more years to prepare for. I might be underestimating PLA though.
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The Dutch/USA ASML is worldleader in the chip race. Exports of their state of the art machines are blocked to China. They are currently developing more sites in the USA. The Taiwanese and South Korean chip industry has a symbiotic relationship as they rely on those machines to print the chips which end up in all our chip controlled devices.
Without ASML no chips, without TSMC less demand and longer time to earn back/invest in R&D for next generation chips. I do not think TSMC has an offshore backup location due to the costs and specialized labor/machinery required.
China also attempts to get a monopoly on certain rare earth metals. So *any* disripution in the semi conductor space, no matter how it is caused, will have severe consequences to the world economy.
Without ASML no chips, without TSMC less demand and longer time to earn back/invest in R&D for next generation chips. I do not think TSMC has an offshore backup location due to the costs and specialized labor/machinery required.
China also attempts to get a monopoly on certain rare earth metals. So *any* disripution in the semi conductor space, no matter how it is caused, will have severe consequences to the world economy.
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Brilliant. I love Harold's trolling.
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Nothing to do with racism when I say that mainland Chinese are often unfriendly. Just like Vietnamese or Germans for that matter.
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