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No it isn't. It really isn't.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:24 pmThis interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor is well worth the watch...
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Certainly he provides an alternate view.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:24 pmThis interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor is well worth the watch...
If Russia has sufficient reserve capacity to expand its conflict to US allied neighbours and succeed against a combined response, then the question must be asked as to why Russia is struggling with its invasion of Ukraine.
Agree, (sarcasm) don't state facts, they don't suit the western media's narrative. Anything that even suggests that Russia will win, or that NATO might lose, is anathema.Nerd wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:37 pmNo it isn't. It really isn't.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:24 pmThis interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor is well worth the watch...
As the guy being interviewed said: the German forces in Berlin were shocked when Russians and western forces were on the outskirts of Berlin, simply because German command had lied to them so effectively.
When Ukraine has been sacrificed, and is in ruins, these same people with (quote video) 'no skin in the game'' will suddenly be quiet, scuttle off, and move on to the next arena to chase their mistaken dream of the empire on which the sun never sets..
The answer is it's not struggling to the extent the west would have us believe...provided in the interview.
Listen carefully from 9:11 (time, not the event
Western forces were nowhere near Berlin until after German surrender. The Russians got it all to themselves.
The first casualty of war is the truth- but I'd trust international sources over Putin shills and Russian propaganda any day of the week. The evidence is clear even if you think MSM is lying to us for some NWO agenda, the very fact that Russia has gained virtually zero after launching a full scale invasion 12 months ago suggests that something isn't that great their end.
The first casualty of war is the truth- but I'd trust international sources over Putin shills and Russian propaganda any day of the week. The evidence is clear even if you think MSM is lying to us for some NWO agenda, the very fact that Russia has gained virtually zero after launching a full scale invasion 12 months ago suggests that something isn't that great their end.
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Well, I can only assume that Putin, like many, thought there would be some form of negotiated settlement much earlier.Prahok wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:39 pmCertainly he provides an alternate view.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:24 pmThis interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor is well worth the watch...
If Russia has sufficient reserve capacity to expand its conflict to US allied neighbours and succeed against a combined response, then the question must be asked as to why Russia is struggling with its invasion of Ukraine.
However, when Merkel recently confessed that the purpose of the Minsk agreements was not to end the persecution of Russian minorities in Ukraine, but only to buy time for arming it - that was a game changer.
Obviously none of us are privy as to whether or not Russia's military objectives have changed since Merkel's revelations.
Macgregor addresses Russia's slow, methodical "meat grinder" approach in the video.
Avoiding a Long War
U.S. Policy and the Trajectory of the Russia-Ukraine Conflict https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
There does seem to be a split on policy within the US which supports some of Macgregor's opinions.
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The concept of Russia's maximalist goal of conquering all of Ukraine has been kept alive in most Western media, with Ukraine promoting the threat so as to encourage greater investment in the Ukrainian armed forces from friendly nations.doilda wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:56 pmAgree, (sarcasm) don't state facts, they don't suit the western media's narrative. Anything that even suggests that Russia will win, or that NATO might lose, is anathema.
Russia's actions through the announcement of the annexation of Ukrainian territory reinforced that narrative of an expansionist imperialistic threat.
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The USSR (15 republics, which included Ukraine, comprising nearly 130 ethnic groups) disbanded itself, it was not disbanded due to any western military pressure. It was simply too expensive and too difficult to govern different groups who didn't want to be governed by anybody they saw as not related 100% to them. Ukraine was liberated by Russia towards the end of WW2, and the majority, barring Nazi sympathizers and collaborators, were very glad to be liberated, but things change. I really doubt Russia wants a return to expensive, ineffective and conflict-ridden imperialism.
Not convinced that the majority of people in Ukraine, Baltic States, Poland etc. were 'very glad' to be liberated by Stalin. Especially survivors of the holodomor.Tweedledem wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:13 amThe USSR (15 republics, which included Ukraine, comprising nearly 130 ethnic groups) disbanded itself, it was not disbanded due to any western military pressure. It was simply too expensive and too difficult to govern different groups who didn't want to be governed by anybody they saw as not related 100% to them. Ukraine was liberated by Russia towards the end of WW2, and the majority, barring Nazi sympathizers and collaborators, were very glad to be liberated, but things change. I really doubt Russia wants a return to expensive, ineffective and conflict-ridden imperialism.
Putin rattling his sabres pretty much every other day.
If you do this you’re regret it”, “Don’t do that, you’ll be sorry”, “I’m not telling you again, don’t do it”, “We will destroy you (if you do that thing I haven’t mentioned)” etc etc.
It’s all getting very tedious. Putin; drop a nuke or bomb the Uk. Stop pussy footing around you numpty.
(And take all the Russians back from SE Asia please)
If you do this you’re regret it”, “Don’t do that, you’ll be sorry”, “I’m not telling you again, don’t do it”, “We will destroy you (if you do that thing I haven’t mentioned)” etc etc.
It’s all getting very tedious. Putin; drop a nuke or bomb the Uk. Stop pussy footing around you numpty.
(And take all the Russians back from SE Asia please)
pew, pew, pew, pew!
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For those that only follow mainstream news, you probably won't know that Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh just released a story entitled How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how ... medium=web
But what's most interesting to me is the battle that has been going on behind the scenes on his Wikipedia page. The Wikipedia trolls are hard at work today and want to make sure “conspiracy theorist” is the first thing people see if they look up “Seymour Hersh.”
We really live in Orwell's 1984 as history is re-written in front of us.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how ... medium=web
But what's most interesting to me is the battle that has been going on behind the scenes on his Wikipedia page. The Wikipedia trolls are hard at work today and want to make sure “conspiracy theorist” is the first thing people see if they look up “Seymour Hersh.”
We really live in Orwell's 1984 as history is re-written in front of us.
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YaTingPom wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:46 amPutin rattling his sabres pretty much every other day.
If you do this you’re regret it”, “Don’t do that, you’ll be sorry”, “I’m not telling you again, don’t do it”, “We will destroy you (if you do that thing I haven’t mentioned)” etc etc.
It’s all getting very tedious. Putin; drop a nuke or bomb the Uk. Stop pussy footing around you numpty.
(And take all the Russians back from SE Asia please)
Don't mention the Giant Panda in the room.
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I was referring to the Ukrainian narrative revolving around Russia engaging in a war of expansion, which Ukraine have successfully kept in the global media (in response to !LL1OAGCgl6 commenting that Western media evades the prospect of a Russian victory). Whether Russia wants a return to imperialism or not, the annexation of territory reinforces the Ukrainian narrative.Tweedledem wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:13 amI really doubt Russia wants a return to expensive, ineffective and conflict-ridden imperialism.
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