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The agreed transition to democracy in Sudan, merely 4 months old, appears in tatters as rival armed factions look to take control. The Junta, which took power in October 2021, is tearing itself apart as the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF), led by Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, found themselves under attack from the Rapid Support Force (RSF), led by Mohamed Hamadan Dagalo.
For context, the SAF is the regular army, whilst the RSF is a mobile offensive force created from ethnic-Arab militias.
The RSF is reportedly backed by the Libyan National Army and Russia’s Wagner PMC (the RSF is supplying troops to support the LNA with resourcing & training by Wagner). Egypt is nominally supporting the SAF. All foreign backers are, at this stage, stating their non-involvement in the current crisis, though there are reports Wagner is directly involved with the RSF, something the RSF vehemently denies.
The attack by the RSF caught the general population unawares, and there is much uncertainty at the moment. The international airport was attacked which has meant foreign residents are unable to be evacuated, including diplomatic staff at the embassies.
Currently fighting is raging within Khartoum and in different parts of the country, primarily Darfur, as the two forces solidify territorial control.
c/- @war_mapper - April 22nd 2023
c/- Wikipedia – April 22nd 2023
For context, the SAF is the regular army, whilst the RSF is a mobile offensive force created from ethnic-Arab militias.
The RSF is reportedly backed by the Libyan National Army and Russia’s Wagner PMC (the RSF is supplying troops to support the LNA with resourcing & training by Wagner). Egypt is nominally supporting the SAF. All foreign backers are, at this stage, stating their non-involvement in the current crisis, though there are reports Wagner is directly involved with the RSF, something the RSF vehemently denies.
The attack by the RSF caught the general population unawares, and there is much uncertainty at the moment. The international airport was attacked which has meant foreign residents are unable to be evacuated, including diplomatic staff at the embassies.
Currently fighting is raging within Khartoum and in different parts of the country, primarily Darfur, as the two forces solidify territorial control.
c/- @war_mapper - April 22nd 2023
c/- Wikipedia – April 22nd 2023
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Do you have any evidence? UAE has been supplying many armored vehicles to both the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and Rapid Support Forces (RSF) during the last few years, including Pathera T6 APC, NIMR Ajban 4×4 armored vehicles and Typhoon MRAPs.Prahok wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:19 am
The RSF is reportedly backed by the Libyan National Army and Russia’s Wagner PMC (the RSF is supplying troops to support the LNA with resourcing & training by Wagner). Egypt is nominally supporting the SAF. All foreign backers are, at this stage, stating their non-involvement in the current crisis, though there are reports Wagner is directly involved with the RSF, something the RSF vehemently denies.
Also, el Sisi stated that the Egyptian troops deployed in Sudan were part of joint military drills scheduled for May - a training mission not a combat one and therefore unauthorized to be involved in any combat actions or even fire when the RSF began attacking Merowe airport.
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The various parties stated their non-involvement in the current conflict, that is all I can confirm. I don't have any evidence of these statements being incorrect (if that is what you are after), though there are some reports suggesting Wagner's continued involvement.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:42 pmDo you have any evidence? UAE has been supplying many armored vehicles to both the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and Rapid Support Forces (RSF) during the last few years, including Pathera T6 APC, NIMR Ajban 4×4 armored vehicles and Typhoon MRAPs.Prahok wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:19 am
The RSF is reportedly backed by the Libyan National Army and Russia’s Wagner PMC (the RSF is supplying troops to support the LNA with resourcing & training by Wagner). Egypt is nominally supporting the SAF. All foreign backers are, at this stage, stating their non-involvement in the current crisis, though there are reports Wagner is directly involved with the RSF, something the RSF vehemently denies.
Also, el Sisi stated that the Egyptian troops deployed in Sudan were part of joint military drills scheduled for May - a training mission not a combat one and therefore unauthorized to be involved in any combat actions or even fire when the RSF began attacking Merowe airport.
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So, just to clarify, both parties denied being involved but you still decided for some reason to name drop the Wagner Group.Prahok wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:36 pmThe various parties stated their non-involvement in the current conflict, that is all I can confirm. I don't have any evidence of these statements being incorrect (if that is what you are after), though there are some reports suggesting Wagner's continued involvement.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:42 pmDo you have any evidence? UAE has been supplying many armored vehicles to both the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and Rapid Support Forces (RSF) during the last few years, including Pathera T6 APC, NIMR Ajban 4×4 armored vehicles and Typhoon MRAPs.Prahok wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:19 am
The RSF is reportedly backed by the Libyan National Army and Russia’s Wagner PMC (the RSF is supplying troops to support the LNA with resourcing & training by Wagner). Egypt is nominally supporting the SAF. All foreign backers are, at this stage, stating their non-involvement in the current crisis, though there are reports Wagner is directly involved with the RSF, something the RSF vehemently denies.
Also, el Sisi stated that the Egyptian troops deployed in Sudan were part of joint military drills scheduled for May - a training mission not a combat one and therefore unauthorized to be involved in any combat actions or even fire when the RSF began attacking Merowe airport.
Mohamed Hamadan Dagalo's facebook page is managed from the UAE.
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All parties deny being involved in the current conflict (there were a series of relationships prior, particularly efforts to standardise military units in order to fully integrate the RSF into the SAF). Of all those parties, there are only reports relating to Wagner that act in contradiction to those statements. Hence I noted there are reports of Wagner's involvement. https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-wa ... y-c71f65f3Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:56 pmSo, just to clarify, both parties denied being involved but you still decided for some reason to name drop the Wagner Group.
It doesn't mean Prigozhin is in downtown Khartoum now handing out sledgehammers, simply that there are reports. Whether those reports have any merit will become clearer as the situation evolves.
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Prahok wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:20 pmAll parties deny being involved in the current conflict (there were a series of relationships prior, particularly efforts to standardise military units in order to fully integrate the RSF into the SAF). Of all those parties, there are only reports relating to Wagner that act in contradiction to those statements. Hence I noted there are reports of Wagner's involvement. https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-wa ... y-c71f65f3Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:56 pmSo, just to clarify, both parties denied being involved but you still decided for some reason to name drop the Wagner Group.
It doesn't mean Prigozhin is in downtown Khartoum now handing out sledgehammers, simply that there are reports. Whether those reports have any merit will become clearer as the situation evolves.
From the WSJ:
No names and no evidence - seems legit.... according to a current and a former U.S. official, and a person close to the Sudanese general
I live in Egypt and have not seen anything (Arabic or English) even mentioning Wagner. As I mentioned earlier, fingers seem to be pointing at the UAE.
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UAE are difficult to predict as both Libya and Yemen showed when it comes to foreign policy they dance to the beat of their own drum.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: I live in Egypt and have not seen anything (Arabic or English) even mentioning Wagner. As I mentioned earlier, fingers seem to be pointing at the UAE.
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Chadian ID was also found on the bodies of RSF soldiers. With all the money from gold and trafficking, Hemedti has been recruiting Chadian mercenaries for years.
An interesting article in Le Monde.
https://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/ ... _3212.html
An interesting article in Le Monde.
https://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/ ... _3212.html
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Paging pedros...Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:11 pmChadian ID was also found on the bodies of RSF soldiers. With all the money from gold and trafficking, Hemedti has been recruiting Chadian mercenaries for years.
An interesting article in Le Monde.
https://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/ ... _3212.html
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Khartoum remains hotly contested. A number of foreigners have managed to be evacuated, however often under fire (a Turkish C-130 came under fire from the RSF and both French and American convoys have been hit).
A real problem exists for many middle-class Sudanese in that their passports are locked in foreign embassies (as they were being processed for visas) but all consular staff left, leaving these documents locked in safes and other secure locations.
A real problem exists for many middle-class Sudanese in that their passports are locked in foreign embassies (as they were being processed for visas) but all consular staff left, leaving these documents locked in safes and other secure locations.
That would be a nightmare with potentially fatal consequence.
So another storm of war sparks off. Rebel forces hell bent on imparting their views, employing the firepower to do it and whoever wins is 'right'. Meantime, the innocents perish while the munitions dealing countries cream it.
Same old shit.
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The passports, along with all other documents would've been shredded. You can't leave sensitive documents when the embassy staff are about to be evacuated.
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I don't think so in this case as the passports are not the property of the respective embassy's governments, but the property of the Government of Sudan.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 1:17 pmThe passports, along with all other documents would've been shredded. You can't leave sensitive documents when the embassy staff are about to be evacuated.
Either way, doesn't help the Sudanese.
Incidentally HPUM, do you have any insight regarding UAE support after the conflict erupted? I have a vague understanding of the situation pre-conflict, however reports regarding material support for either side since is often conflicting.
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Matt Nashed's analysis is very good and his conclusion is that UAE is willing to prolong fighting by increasing its already considerable support for the RSF and Hemeti.Prahok wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 4:58 pmI don't think so in this case as the passports are not the property of the respective embassy's governments, but the property of the Government of Sudan.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 1:17 pmThe passports, along with all other documents would've been shredded. You can't leave sensitive documents when the embassy staff are about to be evacuated.
Either way, doesn't help the Sudanese.
Incidentally HPUM, do you have any insight regarding UAE support after the conflict erupted? I have a vague understanding of the situation pre-conflict, however reports regarding material support for either side since is often conflicting.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/2 ... ials-freed
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