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- Orichá
- I have some social problems
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Not many seem to realize that an R-nought of 2 or more is not "only" 2... it means: 2, 4, 16, 32, 64, 128.... new infections.... it is not good, the Spanish influenza of 1918 seems to have been about as infectious as this one, so... Just look at poor New York... Right now their infections are doubling daily. look at people flouting isolation orders because they think themselves so clever for not liking being "told what to do".... Gonna be a lot more dead people pretty soon.
Despite our great technologies and medical science, I think ecology may eventually take care of our hubris after all... and the duration, long or short, of our business shutdowns won't mean squat to the beautiful new natural world that grows over all of humanity's waste and ugliness after we're all gone. . . . .
Nobody knows there is a tiny agent, an invisible Mini-Me supporting the ego of this secret and very exotic pangolin-bat orgy of blood... Not even 007 will be able to catch the inventor this time...
Greed is better than fear, except during a pandemic... Lol...
"And don't cross the border, Felix, the gringos are waiting..."
Despite our great technologies and medical science, I think ecology may eventually take care of our hubris after all... and the duration, long or short, of our business shutdowns won't mean squat to the beautiful new natural world that grows over all of humanity's waste and ugliness after we're all gone. . . . .
Nobody knows there is a tiny agent, an invisible Mini-Me supporting the ego of this secret and very exotic pangolin-bat orgy of blood... Not even 007 will be able to catch the inventor this time...
Greed is better than fear, except during a pandemic... Lol...
"And don't cross the border, Felix, the gringos are waiting..."
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
...Hannah Arendt
...Hannah Arendt
Bill's big caveat was a big IF the countries can handle it well.black69wolf69 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:18 am
While Bill Gates said 6-10 weeks is the time frame for borders to re-open. https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ga ... eks-2020-3
1 year would permanently shut down many businesses. I'm with Bill on this one...I think 2-3 months max and the world will be back open for business. Doesn't mean tourists will be flocking back or airline schedules back to normal...that will take far longer.
This is what I see: Virus running rampant in US (deaths doubling every 3 days), Spain, Germany, Iran, France, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, ... The curves for cases and deaths are pointing sharply upwards.
I hope I'm wrong as it affects my life as well but I'm not seeing 2-3 months max. I'm seeing all of 2020 and into next year.
They cancelled the Olympic Games after all and they were scheduled for late July.
I hope it peaks in November in the US. Just in time to really hurt the trailer trash and the evangelists, and they're trump's main voting blocks.
Go trump go! Ignore the doomsayers!
Go trump go! Ignore the doomsayers!
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+1 on this fucking up the plans of populist pocket fascists everywhere.
Read today:
"But some public health researchers are suggesting travel restrictions will last much longer than a few months.
"Things are going to be very difficult for 12 months or more," Penn State epidemiologist Maciej Boni told CNN Travel.
In a piece in the Conversation, a network of not-for-profit media outlets that publish news stories written by academics and researchers, Boni suggests there will be a year of disruption.
"Vacations may have to be canceled. Social interactions will look different. And risk management is something we're going to have to think about every morning when we wake up," he writes.
The decision about whether you can safely venture out of the house, never mind the country, will come when we've managed to "stamp out transmission" of COVID-19, says Kumi Smith, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the University of Minnesota.
At this stage, she told CNN Travel, no one can say when that might be. "
Read today:
"But some public health researchers are suggesting travel restrictions will last much longer than a few months.
"Things are going to be very difficult for 12 months or more," Penn State epidemiologist Maciej Boni told CNN Travel.
In a piece in the Conversation, a network of not-for-profit media outlets that publish news stories written by academics and researchers, Boni suggests there will be a year of disruption.
"Vacations may have to be canceled. Social interactions will look different. And risk management is something we're going to have to think about every morning when we wake up," he writes.
The decision about whether you can safely venture out of the house, never mind the country, will come when we've managed to "stamp out transmission" of COVID-19, says Kumi Smith, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the University of Minnesota.
At this stage, she told CNN Travel, no one can say when that might be. "
- Felgerkarb
- Sir Felgerkarb, Kt Pb
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Wow. Just...wow. I hope this clears up soon so NOBODY WILL FUCKING DIE regardless of religion or politics.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
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- OneTrickPony
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Personally, I think this whole reaction has been like a stampede initiated by the WHO. My own plan would have been to lockdown the 65s and over. You could have given those who have been made to wait for their pensions back their old pensionable age thus allowing them to maintain income.
Once you have locked down that age group you could re-employ the people governments have axed as social care workers, so they can supply their needs - do the shopping, go to the chemists etc . It would have been a lot easier to police, reduced death rates and hospital pressure, and you wouldn't have had to fuck the economy, or bail out fucked companies to do it.
Then when the rest of the population have suffered the same as they do with the flu, you could have raised the quarantine for the over 65s. Most people over the age of 70 don't live a very active lifestyle anyway. Mostly just pottering about in the garden or watching the telly.
Once you have locked down that age group you could re-employ the people governments have axed as social care workers, so they can supply their needs - do the shopping, go to the chemists etc . It would have been a lot easier to police, reduced death rates and hospital pressure, and you wouldn't have had to fuck the economy, or bail out fucked companies to do it.
Then when the rest of the population have suffered the same as they do with the flu, you could have raised the quarantine for the over 65s. Most people over the age of 70 don't live a very active lifestyle anyway. Mostly just pottering about in the garden or watching the telly.
Up the workers!
Then you'd have a world where everybody below 65 suffers from permanent lung damage. The scarring of the lungs on COVID-19 patients doesn't go away after they are cured from the virus.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:03 pmMy own plan would have been to lockdown the 65s and over.
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- OneTrickPony
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My instant reaction is that all pneumonia tends to do that. As malaria medication damages the kidneys. Also, there is firm evidence of permanent lung damage to children caused by polluted air.Alexandra wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:07 pmThen you'd have a world where everybody below 65 suffers from permanent lung damage. The scarring of the lungs on COVID-19 patients doesn't go away after they are cured from the virus.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:03 pmMy own plan would have been to lockdown the 65s and over.
Let alone the fact that 800,000 children per year die of pneumonia, most of it preventable. They can't get access to antibiotics like Amoxycycline. It's fucking shocking, but they're only poor, so no-one much gives a f.
I'm off for a swim and will read your link when I get back.
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Up the workers!
Coronavirus causes pneumonia. You can’t prevent it with antibiotics.
You can prevent it with lockdowns and isolation, but that’s what you said that you didn’t want to do.
You can prevent it with lockdowns and isolation, but that’s what you said that you didn’t want to do.
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- OneTrickPony
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Yes, COVID-19 is a type of viral pneumonia which can't been cured with antibiotics or any medicine, in fact.
No, what I was saying was lockdown the most vulnerable. The over 65s. And make sure they are serviced properly for money, food and medical needs etc.
Up the workers!
How would you protect people like this girl? There are multiple cases showing that not only the elder and sick are at risk of dying from the infection.
“A British 21-year-old woman with no pre-existing conditions has died from coronavirus, The Sun newspaper reported.”
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03 ... ictim.html
“A British 21-year-old woman with no pre-existing conditions has died from coronavirus, The Sun newspaper reported.”
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03 ... ictim.html
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- OneTrickPony
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I feel sorry for the girl and her parents obviously, but you can't prevent all deaths from anything. I think there was a statistic going around a few years ago that more people die each year from switching off their electric alarm clock than die from ecstasy. Actually, with the advent of the smart phone there's probably not a lot of people using alarm clocks nowadays. But the point remains.Alexandra wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:34 pmHow would you protect people like this girl? There are multiple cases showing that not only the elder and sick are at risk of dying from the infection.
“A British 21-year-old woman with no pre-existing conditions has died from coronavirus, The Sun newspaper reported.”
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03 ... ictim.html
I think the obvious solution for people at higher risk of serious condition and even fatality due to underlying health conditions should self isolate. The government should bring in a scheme that provides them with income and support much like the elderly until the virus recedes.
I read your link, and yes, it is early days to know whether the roughly 3/10 people that sustain lung damage from the Covid-19 strain of pneumonia in the report is permanent or not.
I believe the South Koreans managed to control an horrendous number of infections without the need for the whole country to go into lockdown?
Up the workers!
Can we lockdown kunfu dudes?
pew, pew, pew, pew!
As someone pointed out before, boring the living delights out of people is selfish.
May he be gone. .
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