New coronavirus spreading rapidly.
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@horace. Seems that even the Financial Times agrees with me now. It took them a while to catch up.
The official government figure is still 18,100, of course.
Percentage per infected is 41000 ÷ 133495 = 0.30712760777557 = 30.712760777557%
Italy 13.4 %
That's a 17.3 % difference and by far the world's highest death to infected rate.
The official government figure is still 18,100, of course.
Percentage per infected is 41000 ÷ 133495 = 0.30712760777557 = 30.712760777557%
Italy 13.4 %
That's a 17.3 % difference and by far the world's highest death to infected rate.
Up the workers!
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You forgot The Testes.citizenK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:22 amthehour wrote:They've since seen how covid-19, the disease the novel coronavirus causes, attacks not only the lungs but the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain.
Increasingly, doctors are reporting bizarre, unsettling cases that don't seem to follow any of the textbooks they've trained on.
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A- ... 218500.php
Up the workers!
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It looks like companies have already started relocating.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:45 pm@ starkmonster, what do you think the implications are if the above climatic conditions study proves correct?
I can see manufacturing moving to the traditionally under developed countries which would be relatively free of mass infections.
Could this finally be Sub Saharan Africa's shot at a decent standard of living, for instance?
Apple hirings in Vietnam fuel business speculation
By Dang Khoa
Sat 4/25/2020, 09:22 pm (GMT+7)
Tech giant Apple has listed many jobs in Vietnam on LinkedIn recently, including an operations manager based in Hanoi.
The job description says Apple is looking for an operations manager to "help the company foster growth in this market, leading "a team of engineers in support of new product development as well as sustaining operations in ensuring the contract manufacturer readiness for very high volume production."
The multinational company has been posting many job openings over the past few months, from senior role like regional operations and new product manager in Hanoi to camera ops test engineering in Saigon.
The recruitment move adds credence to reports that Apple could increase outsourcing manufacturing to Vietnam.
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/c ... 90095.html
Up the workers!
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I just watched the movie The Big Short for the first time.
Farking great filim (as they call them in Ireland).
Just read Michael Burry's views on the lockdown. He seems to say it's worse than the virus itself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomb ... tweetstorm
Farking great filim (as they call them in Ireland).
Just read Michael Burry's views on the lockdown. He seems to say it's worse than the virus itself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomb ... tweetstorm
"I don't care what the people are thinking, i ain't drunk i'm just drinking"
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I just want to point out something very important to understand and interpret government announcements and released data around the world.
Governments around the world are currently engaged in a process called "behaviour change communication" (BCC).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ ... munication
I worked here for the European Commission in the early 2000's on a multi-year, multi-million BCC project.
The primary objective of BCC is not to increase the knowledge and understanding of the population, it's to provide the information most likely to modify their behaviour in a way that will result in the best public health outcomes.
In layman's terms you need to make them scared enough to follow the advice, but not so scared they begin acting irrationally.
So in Cambodia that meant making people scared enough of HIV to use condoms and not engage in high risk behaviours, but not so scared that they start stigmatising or acting out against high risk groups or carriers.
It's a delicate balancing act.
With Covid-19 that's also what's happening. The objective is to make people scared enough that they follow government advice but not so scared that they start acting irrationally (hording, not turning up to work for jobs deemed essential etc).
This is why we aren't being provided with detailed data regarding the health status and demographics of deaths. And why you should not treat government positions as gospel.
For example, if you told people that 99% of deaths are in people with existing co-morbidities, people without co-morbidities may be less inclined to follow advice, especially if it has an economic impact.
Just as telling people here 20 years ago, that if you or your partner weren't gay, a needle user or consumer/provider of prostitution your chances of contacting HIV we extremely low.
If you want to know what information your government currently thinks is best suited to maintain your continued compliance then listen to the news.
If you want to become knowledgeable on the disease and its impacts follow the daily stream of papers being released on sites like www.ssrn.com.
For example studies were indicating 6-8 weeks ago that the R value for this virus was much lower in environments with high temperature, humidity and UV exposure.
But as the message that summer will reduce the infectiousness was not aligned with current BCC objectives regarding lockdown compliance, that information would be treated with scepticism. While any study results are aligned with current BCC objectives will be prompted.
This also explains the differing information given between different countries. Countries with a highly compliant society don't need to turn the fear dial quite so far (e.g. Germany, Japan, Singapore, South Korea).
While countries with a more "relaxed" tradition with authority (e.g. Italy, Cambodia, Latin America) need the dial turned quite a lot higher to deliver compliance.
Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share.
Governments around the world are currently engaged in a process called "behaviour change communication" (BCC).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ ... munication
I worked here for the European Commission in the early 2000's on a multi-year, multi-million BCC project.
The primary objective of BCC is not to increase the knowledge and understanding of the population, it's to provide the information most likely to modify their behaviour in a way that will result in the best public health outcomes.
In layman's terms you need to make them scared enough to follow the advice, but not so scared they begin acting irrationally.
So in Cambodia that meant making people scared enough of HIV to use condoms and not engage in high risk behaviours, but not so scared that they start stigmatising or acting out against high risk groups or carriers.
It's a delicate balancing act.
With Covid-19 that's also what's happening. The objective is to make people scared enough that they follow government advice but not so scared that they start acting irrationally (hording, not turning up to work for jobs deemed essential etc).
This is why we aren't being provided with detailed data regarding the health status and demographics of deaths. And why you should not treat government positions as gospel.
For example, if you told people that 99% of deaths are in people with existing co-morbidities, people without co-morbidities may be less inclined to follow advice, especially if it has an economic impact.
Just as telling people here 20 years ago, that if you or your partner weren't gay, a needle user or consumer/provider of prostitution your chances of contacting HIV we extremely low.
If you want to know what information your government currently thinks is best suited to maintain your continued compliance then listen to the news.
If you want to become knowledgeable on the disease and its impacts follow the daily stream of papers being released on sites like www.ssrn.com.
For example studies were indicating 6-8 weeks ago that the R value for this virus was much lower in environments with high temperature, humidity and UV exposure.
But as the message that summer will reduce the infectiousness was not aligned with current BCC objectives regarding lockdown compliance, that information would be treated with scepticism. While any study results are aligned with current BCC objectives will be prompted.
This also explains the differing information given between different countries. Countries with a highly compliant society don't need to turn the fear dial quite so far (e.g. Germany, Japan, Singapore, South Korea).
While countries with a more "relaxed" tradition with authority (e.g. Italy, Cambodia, Latin America) need the dial turned quite a lot higher to deliver compliance.
Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share.
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You might not realise this, but the Cambodian government is actually very good at BCC due to lots of first hand experience of rolling it out at scale.
Their messaging so far has been engaging, simple, consistent, timely and delivered at scale.
It went from zero to saturation level in a very short time. You can no longer make a phonecall, use the Khmer language internet, watch the TV or drive past billboard without getting the message.
Here's an example of classic BCC video content released today by the prime minister's office:
https://twitter.com/PeacePalaceKH/statu ... 89024?s=19
Their messaging so far has been engaging, simple, consistent, timely and delivered at scale.
It went from zero to saturation level in a very short time. You can no longer make a phonecall, use the Khmer language internet, watch the TV or drive past billboard without getting the message.
Here's an example of classic BCC video content released today by the prime minister's office:
https://twitter.com/PeacePalaceKH/statu ... 89024?s=19
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FFS you're still not increasing the positive amount while increasing the deaths.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 am@horace. Seems that even the Financial Times agrees with me now. It took them a while to catch up.
The official government figure is still 18,100, of course.
Percentage per infected is 41000 ÷ 133495 = 0.30712760777557 = 30.712760777557%
Italy 13.4 %
That's a 17.3 % difference and by far the world's highest death to infected rate.
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Ok, I've added 41,000 to total infections up to today to massage the figures for you ( it should really be 20,000). I've not included any carehome deaths since the last post, but we can assume the total CFR is higher than 41,000 by now.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:39 pmFFS you're still not increasing the positive amount while increasing the deaths.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 am@horace. Seems that even the Financial Times agrees with me now. It took them a while to catch up.
The official government figure is still 18,100, of course.
Percentage per infected is 41000 ÷ 133495 = 0.30712760777557 = 30.712760777557%
Italy 13.4 %
That's a 17.3 % difference and by far the world's highest death to infected rate.
[41000 ÷ 189377 = 0.21649936370309 = 21.649936370309%]
21% CFR
Italy's on 13.5% CFR.
Remember, Northern Italy has a large Chinese workforce and was also the European country that got hit hard first.
I think the Johnson regime has a lot to answer for.
And it's not about left and right. If Corbyn had got in and was performing in the same way, I'd be criticizing him too. The only differences are he wouldn't be doing it and they'd be a few more on here joining in.
Up the workers!
Good news lads.
Smoking has severe pathological consequences and remains a serious danger for health. Yet under controlled settings, Nicotinic agents could provide an efficient treatment for an acute infection such as Covid-19.
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/571Based on the current scientific literature and on new epidemiological data which reveal that current smoking status appears to be a protective factor against the infection by SARS-CoV-2
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Haha, classic. Guess I picked the wrong week to give up smoking.
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Time for Trump and Johnson supporters to have a little epiphany through inward reflection after looking at historical data.
26 January 2020.
Well done, chaps!
26 January 2020.
Well done, chaps!
Up the workers!
Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin has been diagnosed with coronavirus, he said during a video meeting with President Vladimir Putin broadcast on the state-run Rossiya 24 television channel Thursday.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/ ... rus-a70160
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/ ... rus-a70160
The WHO is now praising Sweden.logos wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:03 pmSpringrain's jovial kiss of death to Swedenspringrain wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:27 pmAgain, Sweden is leading the way.
NO lockdown is necessary.
People need fresh air, company and a future to look forward to.
No need for panic, fear and stress.
Let people work; let folk live.
Well done, Sweden!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds ... -lockdown/
The same WHO that praises China and refuses to recognize Taiwan? I thought you’d be more critical of this sort of thing.Harold wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:06 amThe WHO is now praising Sweden.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds ... -lockdown/
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