Thankfully the laws do have a deterrent effect against sex tourists -I've seen positive examples of the laws implementation- but actually the non-cohabitation law is just another social engineering tool of the LPRP.you aint seen me wrote:the laws are there to nail a foreign pedo.
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This unfortunately is where semantics comes into play. The term pedophile simply cannot be applied to a 16 year old - the term is simply incorrect, legally or medically: This is ephebophilia, which if the Swedish research is correct, is normal attraction. THier finding are 16 year olds are exuding sexual triggers and pheromones, which guys will respond to (consciously or not). The debate is more a social one than a medical one. An 8 year old doesn't send out sexual triggers and any attraction signifies something is seriously amiss._chaos_ wrote: I still think there's something morally wrong with a relationship between a 40yo man and a 16yo girl. I'd still see that as pedophilia.
In the old days, an ephebophilist was just called dirty old man, not pedo; Somewhere along the line, the pedo term meaning attraction got messed up and applied to everything, now meaning physical contact. Unfortunately, it ignored child abusers are not always pedophiles, and 90% of pedophiles not abusers. As such, the miss-naming has greatly messed up any intelligent debate on the rights and wrongs of anything. Legally and medically, the term Minor Attracted is now being used to clearly separate abusers from non-abusers
Personally, I think applying age dependent laws designed for an immature American population is not the best for an Asian country where teenagers are greatly more responsible at the same age: A comment from a Khmer female discussing some of the recent busts of teens with older guys - "no problem, good for her". meaning that teen cohabiting with the guy is not an issue in Cambodia. This view is very common and the consternation over APLE's bust of the Russian with a 17yo leaves them speechless.
I think the 18 limit on P4P is both fair and protective. But in a situation where non-coercive mid-to-late teen relationships exist within a friendship (not one-night p4p), I have serious concerns about people perusing with the pedophile laws.
As a European, I find it insane I can be legally married to someone in EU yet be banged up for life here in Cambodia for living with someone of the same age.
One of the legal systems is way out of kilter.
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What country are you talking about? It couldn't be here, where most stay living at home until they are in at least their early 20s, and have little or no responsibilities untill then. Doing the laundry etc, doesn't count.Personally, I think applying age dependent laws designed for an immature American population is not the best for an Asian country where teenagers are greatly more responsible at the same age:
Again, doesn't sound familiar to me, I don't know of a single case where a teen is cohabiting.: A comment from a Khmer female discussing some of the recent busts of teens with older guys - "no problem, good for her". meaning that teen cohabiting with the guy is not an issue in Cambodia.
I agree with anim8ed point of regarding a person that has a friendship with a younger guy of 16 does not qualify her as a pedo. There are just to many males and females in history that were successful that had a teenage relationship.
I know of a few Khmers that have good marriages that were made up of an older man and a younger girl (16-17). I also know of many Gypsy marriages that have been successful with a wide age span - older man - teen girl. I also know many that were a disaster.
My own personal belief is no sex before marriage. I believe this is the best way. However, I do not want to force my beliefs into a law for others even if I think this would make a better society. To regrad or label a 16 year old person the same as a 10 year old person is insane. or to put an female/male adult interest with a 16 year old young lady/guy the same as a 10 year old boy/girl is absurb.
I know of a few Khmers that have good marriages that were made up of an older man and a younger girl (16-17). I also know of many Gypsy marriages that have been successful with a wide age span - older man - teen girl. I also know many that were a disaster.
My own personal belief is no sex before marriage. I believe this is the best way. However, I do not want to force my beliefs into a law for others even if I think this would make a better society. To regrad or label a 16 year old person the same as a 10 year old person is insane. or to put an female/male adult interest with a 16 year old young lady/guy the same as a 10 year old boy/girl is absurb.
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Being a bit urban-centric or dare I saw even PP-centric. My guess is 80% of the population live in the countryside and I doubt many of those children stay at home with no responsibilities until their early 20's.hanky wrote:
What country are you talking about? It couldn't be here, where most stay living at home until they are in at least their early 20s, and have little or no responsibilities untill then. Doing the laundry etc, doesn't count.
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Yeah, Im always urban-centric, could never understand those yokels. However, I don't think the rural young people who have moved to Phnom Penh are doing much co-habiting with the opposite sex either.Jamtick wrote: Being a bit urban-centric or dare I saw even PP-centric. My guess is 80% of the population live in the countryside and I doubt many of those children stay at home with no responsibilities until their early 20's.
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I don’t usually make comment on pedophile threads because I find the topic labored, clichéd and irrelevant to me personally. However last night I was watching the movie Two night in Paris and thought some of you may find the movie interesting.
Julie Delpy plays a mid 30’s French woman who has had a number of lovers/boyfriends. She has taken her current US partner to Paris to stay in her apartment and meet family and friends. During the movie much to her current partners annoyance she interacts with some of her ex lovers. This culminates during a heated crowded restaurant scene where Delpy meets up with an ex lover who dumped her after doing aid work in Thailand. During his time there he allegedly had underage sex and frequented prostitutes and changed his moral views on sexual behavior considerably.
Julie Delpy plays a mid 30’s French woman who has had a number of lovers/boyfriends. She has taken her current US partner to Paris to stay in her apartment and meet family and friends. During the movie much to her current partners annoyance she interacts with some of her ex lovers. This culminates during a heated crowded restaurant scene where Delpy meets up with an ex lover who dumped her after doing aid work in Thailand. During his time there he allegedly had underage sex and frequented prostitutes and changed his moral views on sexual behavior considerably.
Or they don't object at all, but know that only the western countries will reward them for arresting their citizens for such offenses, whether they are guilty or not. They would get no benefit from arresting Cambodians or Asian foreigners for the same offenses, and might even lose income sources if they did it too often.jm wrote:Even now, the Cambodians have little or nothing to say about Cambodians and Chinese having sex with young girls. It's the foreigners having sex with their young girls that they object to, and that is due in large part to other foreigners teaching them to feel that way over the last decade or so.
Those peg selling, drive tarmacing gypos would marry anything if there were some scrap metal in it...willie wrote:I also know of many Gypsy marriages that have been successful with a wide age span - older man - teen girl
Pikeys, I fookin hate pikeys
Almost married a Gypsy girl a few years back. They have passion.- Her brother stole the wedding ring. (no really) If you think that Khmer ladies are involved with their families...they could learn much from the Gypsy extended families.
In the west the husband or wife usually comes first. In Khmer culture from what have observed, the husband seldom is as important to her as her family - much the same in Gypsy culture
In the west the husband or wife usually comes first. In Khmer culture from what have observed, the husband seldom is as important to her as her family - much the same in Gypsy culture
If I knew for certain that a person was coming to my house with the intent of doing me good, I would run for my life HDT
and of course, they will lose foreign investment if they fail to pursue westerners, guilty or otherwise.Buscador wrote:jm wrote:They would get no benefit from arresting Cambodians or Asian foreigners for the same offenses, and might even lose income sources if they did it too often.
It must be asked too, with a reported total spend of $5.4milliom per year on anti-child sex operations, why the count of offenders caught last year was just 7. Where the hell is all that money going?!.
Could it be that
- Cambodia is not awash with child sex offenders.
- The 'investigators' are untrained amateurs who couldn't catch a cold
- This is 99% about m.o.n.e.y and 1% action.
- The 200-300 hundred actual child prostitutes the US figures suggest exist int the country (not just PP), are in Asian for Asian establishments, where no NGO can get access.
Perhaps H.E's promise to make NGO's more accountable should be welcomed.
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Going out on a limb here, I'm not as convinced of Baumbach's guilt as other people on this site.
In fact, this could be one big set up. OK, he paid the school fees of a young girl. So what? Plenty of expats have done that for reasons that are entirely clean and altruistic.
Looking back to his arrest, I note how quickly a 'confession' came out at the time. This frequently happens and has happened when the accused has later been acquitted of all charges.
I also note that there was no 'caught in the act' scenario - no Baumbach sitting on the end of a bed in his underwear with a girl under a sheet photos in the press, nor (and this is important) did they find any bare ass or compromising pictures of the girl. Pedo's almost always take pictures of their crimes (they just can't help themselves) and that's usually what provides irrefutable evidence against them. No pics. Just a statement that he had porn on his computer, as I'm sure many many men have.
OK, I'm not saying I'm convinced of his innocence. But I'm am saying that so far I'm unconvinced of his guilt. There are plenty of scenarios that could have led to this arrest, the most likely being pissing someone off and if he was letting this girl visit his home then he's deifintely guilty of being an idiot, but I've just got a funny feeling about this one.
In fact, this could be one big set up. OK, he paid the school fees of a young girl. So what? Plenty of expats have done that for reasons that are entirely clean and altruistic.
Looking back to his arrest, I note how quickly a 'confession' came out at the time. This frequently happens and has happened when the accused has later been acquitted of all charges.
I also note that there was no 'caught in the act' scenario - no Baumbach sitting on the end of a bed in his underwear with a girl under a sheet photos in the press, nor (and this is important) did they find any bare ass or compromising pictures of the girl. Pedo's almost always take pictures of their crimes (they just can't help themselves) and that's usually what provides irrefutable evidence against them. No pics. Just a statement that he had porn on his computer, as I'm sure many many men have.
OK, I'm not saying I'm convinced of his innocence. But I'm am saying that so far I'm unconvinced of his guilt. There are plenty of scenarios that could have led to this arrest, the most likely being pissing someone off and if he was letting this girl visit his home then he's deifintely guilty of being an idiot, but I've just got a funny feeling about this one.
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And I witnessed O.J. Simpson hanging out with women in L.A. that he didn't kill. That doesn't make me less convinced that he murdered his ex-wife and her waiter.
They had Baumbach under surveillance for a month. That means the girl had been at his place before. Why would a 40 year old white man have a 13 year old Khmer girl visting his apartment alone that he's not related to?
Also, the police didn't just say they found porn on his computer, they found CHILD porn. Those are two fundamentlly different things. At least to me.
Lastly, he confessed to some kind of fooling around with the girl, though he denied penetration.
There are two possible conclusions here. He's guilty, or the police and the girl are trying to frame him by fabricating evidence against him for no apparent reason. Like the L.A. cops tried to do to poor O.J.
They had Baumbach under surveillance for a month. That means the girl had been at his place before. Why would a 40 year old white man have a 13 year old Khmer girl visting his apartment alone that he's not related to?
Also, the police didn't just say they found porn on his computer, they found CHILD porn. Those are two fundamentlly different things. At least to me.
Lastly, he confessed to some kind of fooling around with the girl, though he denied penetration.
There are two possible conclusions here. He's guilty, or the police and the girl are trying to frame him by fabricating evidence against him for no apparent reason. Like the L.A. cops tried to do to poor O.J.
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