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Sihanoukville Cambodia vs Phnom Penh Cambodia...
... the OD comparison.
So, it’s been requested that I write up a comparison of the two after having experimentally lived in S’ville for a month. Going to start off with little basic information on my situation while living in both:
I’m a software developer who does 99% of his work via a VPN connection to the US. My working hours are generally 9pm - 5am Cambodia time, I work from a desktop computer because of the need for power/screen space, I am married and my wife traveled with me… as did our dog.
Now on to some things that are different…
Accommodation
In Phnom Penh I pay $400 for an unfurnished 4 bedroom flat near the Russian Market. This gives me a room for our nephew who lives with us, our bedroom, my office, and a guest room. It’s about the ideal amount of space for us as a family, only slightly overkill as I could probably make the main room/living room where I do my office work… but I enjoy having private lockable space that no one “cleans” for me to the extent I can’t find anything when I need it.
In Sihanoukville my needs weren’t so much… in fact I was willing to tolerate a LOT less but found I didn’t need to go to such extremes. I am staying at Charlie Harper’s guesthouse/bar downtown in one of his larger 2 room suites. Front “living room” type area, with massive balcony, and a bedroom. Completely furnished, serviced, etc with great food downstairs (now including General Tso’s Chicken, which has added 5 lbs to my midsection) and generally some entertaining chaps to chat with at the bar. I have the price that’s reserved for those staying 3 months or more which is $200/month. (Of note, in my opinion his burger could give the Garage Burger a decent run for it’s money.)
One of the things I considered when moving here for this month was living at a place ON the beach. The factor that stopped me was mostly the need for a larger space. With my wife sleeping at night, and me working at night, we just needed 2 rooms (or more) to make it happen. However, we didn’t decide that right away, and for $450-500 you can get a nice aircon bungalow at Above Us Only Sky for the month… go and butter him up a little and you could probably get it for a little less. Beyond that I haven’t really researched beach places for long term… they’re expensive, generally loud until late because of the party places nearby, and honestly being right ON the beach makes life here a little more annoying because of beggars/thieves/sellers/tourists/etc. I like having “home” be somewhat away from all of that.
Utilities
So when I was planning this at one point I was even pricing out my own small generator to make it work. I had heard a number of horror stories about the Sihanoukville power cuts, and on the weekend I came to visit even was able to observer one that lasted half a day. One of the benefits of Charlie Harper’s for me was that it included one which they take about 30 seconds to go turn on when a cut happens… which is crucial for me as electricity and internet (which is fast in general and works fine in an outage so long as the generator is working) are how I work. That being said, they’ve had to use it 2 times since I’ve been here, each for under half an hour. Either something has changed, or the commonality and severity was highly overrated.
Water in Sihanoukville has been fine, there was some talk about a time in the past when it wasn’t… which apparently was just some political disagreement over the water companies power bill.
The power prices (bill rate) in Sihanoukville are a little higher than Phnom Penh, but not drastically so.
Transportation
Motodops and tuktuks… man… these guys can be BRUTAL about treating everyone with a white face like a shiny eyed tourist. At first. After about a week most of them had figured out that we weren’t going to give them $5 for anything. In the end a tuktuk trip from downtown to the beach should cost about $2, $3 if it’s fast and round trip. Motodops, $1. These prices aren’t much different than you’d be paying in Phnom Penh… we get a tuktuk from Russian Market to Riverside for $2.50.
Considering that’s about as far as you’ll ever go (unless you want to go to Otres/Ream/etc, then I have no idea on the price as we’d already established “our driver” who we used for the whole day for $20 when those trips were involved.
In Sihanoukville get the Tico tuktuks… they’re the same price as the others and significantly more comfortable. Soft seats, a steady ride with decent suspension, and they don’t have to slow to a crawl to make it up the hills. The drivers are also a lot less insistent on a little extra if it’s pissing down rain, as they’re inside a nice protected cabin. Some even have aircon that they’ll run for you. Mr Andy (068-222-325/097-774-4646) is a nice young man with a Tico tuktuk who works very hard at perfecting his English and doesn’t try to overcharge at all. He may talk a little more than you like though, he see’s every English speaking fare as a chance to practice.
Or, you can rent a moto. Most places do airwaves for about $3 a day monthly rate, $4 a day weekly and $5 a day short term. Larger bikes like Phantoms/Nighthawks can be had around $25 a day… but that’s just stupid. We ended up getting a pretty new Nuvou 135cc (or whatever it’s called) for $5 a day for 2 weeks, it has a lot of power for going up the hills riding double and we’re enjoying having our own vehicle to explore a little with. I have heard that you should avoid DD Canada (a place downtown) for moto rentals as the owner has been known to pull the Lucky Lucky steal-it-back routine. I was surprised to find this cheaper than Phnom Penh ($8 a day most places I’ve seen, with $5/day as a monthly rate) and in most cases the quality of the moto was much higher with many of them being almost new.
We also rented a Jeep to drive out to Ream national park one day, $40 for the day. It was ok, but we discovered that the wife gets carsick pretty fast in them.
Food
Us westerners and our food… well, there’s a lot of choices here at a lot of different levels of quality and price. I don’t budget shop, so if that’s what you’re after I have little information for you. The wife says that fresh seafood at the market in Sihanoukville (tokay fish, snapper, barracuda, prawns) is VERY cheap… that’s the most you get from me on being a cheap-o.
There are 2 main Sihanoukville supermarkets… Lucky Ocean which is a complete joke as far as I’m concerned, and Samudera (though I probably spelled that wrong) which is fantastic. Large selection, good produce, good meats, a TON of cheeses, and prices on par with Lucky’s in Phnom Penh. There were a few things we were able to get at Samudera that I haven’t even been able to find in Phnom Penh… a cast iron pan (not a skillet, more like a cornbread pan) and a nice cake decorating system for the wife.
When it comes to eating out Sihanoukville has a ton of options and not all of them are good, but many are great, just like Phnom Penh. Donor Kebabs, Samurai Japanese food, Charlie Harper’s western food, Reef Resort’s amazing BBQ, etc.
Entertainment
This was one of the big thing’s I’d heard… “if you don’t like the beach then there’s nothing to do in Sihanoukville.” They were wrong. We’ve been horseback riding, out to a pretty amazing national forest, fed some monkeys, seen some movies, visited some waterfalls, fished, watched some sports, been on a few pub crawls, played some poker… and there’s more that I just haven’t found the time for. We happen to like the beach, so have used a lot of our free time there as well. There’s not as much art/culture stuff compared to Sihanoukville, but there’s still plenty to do.
Traffic
Fuck Phnom Penh traffic. Khmer ARE fully capable of driving in a somewhat sane and reasonable manner… I’ve now seen proof of it. I have not been in a single traffic jam, not even a small under a minute “while this SUV asserts his dominance” sort of one, since I arrived here. Even in front of the central market. On the roads you see a lot less of the SUV assholes for one, and when you do they’re not driving like complete and total pricks. Today we actually went on a drive just for fun and to explore a bit… it was very nice and at no point did I feel like dragging someone out of their car and choking them to death, instead I saw some nice scenery as I was able to look around while I drove instead of being constantly on the defensive.
Crime
A lot of people have this concept that S'ville is a crime laden evil place... it's not. Most of the crimes, as discussed in another thread, are things that would happen in either city if you acted the way the victims did in either city. Stupid shit like leaving a backpack on the beach while you go swim, having a sleep while a bar girl is in your apartment, pulling out big wads of cash in public, etc. The main difference is, people down here are mostly on holiday and don't seem to bring their brains on vacation with them... so do stupid shit like this. So you hear about it more. Haven't heard of any violent crimes happening down here recently like those happening in Phnom Penh.
This has been the #1 stress relief for me… not having daily road rage every time I want to go to the supermarket or to have a drink. When I arrive somewhere I feel relaxed and ready to enjoy whatever it was I was going to do… not worn out and relieved to have made it alive. The noise level is about 20% that in Phnom Penh, with less traffic there seems to be less need to honk your horn every 15 seconds to let the world know you exist.
Police here are assholes compared to Phnom Penh. They stop pretty much every foreigner they see and try to shake them down… but there are ways to go that can get you around them so it’s not much hassle. Also like Phnom Penh they tend to set up in the same places all the time.
I was asked to elaborate on a few other subjects like jobs/school/locals attitude… but honestly I don’t know about the first two and haven’t been here long enough to really be exposed to the latter. The few experiences with locals I’ve had have been pleasant though, no horror stories/etc. Obviously around the beach clubs you get a few shifty characters, of all races, be on guard.
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Overall the experience has been VERY nice. I wanted to make the move permanently, however the wife has been insistent on wanting to live in Phnom Penh part of the time as well. The end result is a compromise of us alternating every other month… which is fine, I have a number of friends in Phnom Penh and will be glad to see them again after this month is up. I’ve kinda missed Rebo’s “special hugs”.
So, it’s been requested that I write up a comparison of the two after having experimentally lived in S’ville for a month. Going to start off with little basic information on my situation while living in both:
I’m a software developer who does 99% of his work via a VPN connection to the US. My working hours are generally 9pm - 5am Cambodia time, I work from a desktop computer because of the need for power/screen space, I am married and my wife traveled with me… as did our dog.
Now on to some things that are different…
Accommodation
In Phnom Penh I pay $400 for an unfurnished 4 bedroom flat near the Russian Market. This gives me a room for our nephew who lives with us, our bedroom, my office, and a guest room. It’s about the ideal amount of space for us as a family, only slightly overkill as I could probably make the main room/living room where I do my office work… but I enjoy having private lockable space that no one “cleans” for me to the extent I can’t find anything when I need it.
In Sihanoukville my needs weren’t so much… in fact I was willing to tolerate a LOT less but found I didn’t need to go to such extremes. I am staying at Charlie Harper’s guesthouse/bar downtown in one of his larger 2 room suites. Front “living room” type area, with massive balcony, and a bedroom. Completely furnished, serviced, etc with great food downstairs (now including General Tso’s Chicken, which has added 5 lbs to my midsection) and generally some entertaining chaps to chat with at the bar. I have the price that’s reserved for those staying 3 months or more which is $200/month. (Of note, in my opinion his burger could give the Garage Burger a decent run for it’s money.)
One of the things I considered when moving here for this month was living at a place ON the beach. The factor that stopped me was mostly the need for a larger space. With my wife sleeping at night, and me working at night, we just needed 2 rooms (or more) to make it happen. However, we didn’t decide that right away, and for $450-500 you can get a nice aircon bungalow at Above Us Only Sky for the month… go and butter him up a little and you could probably get it for a little less. Beyond that I haven’t really researched beach places for long term… they’re expensive, generally loud until late because of the party places nearby, and honestly being right ON the beach makes life here a little more annoying because of beggars/thieves/sellers/tourists/etc. I like having “home” be somewhat away from all of that.
Utilities
So when I was planning this at one point I was even pricing out my own small generator to make it work. I had heard a number of horror stories about the Sihanoukville power cuts, and on the weekend I came to visit even was able to observer one that lasted half a day. One of the benefits of Charlie Harper’s for me was that it included one which they take about 30 seconds to go turn on when a cut happens… which is crucial for me as electricity and internet (which is fast in general and works fine in an outage so long as the generator is working) are how I work. That being said, they’ve had to use it 2 times since I’ve been here, each for under half an hour. Either something has changed, or the commonality and severity was highly overrated.
Water in Sihanoukville has been fine, there was some talk about a time in the past when it wasn’t… which apparently was just some political disagreement over the water companies power bill.
The power prices (bill rate) in Sihanoukville are a little higher than Phnom Penh, but not drastically so.
Transportation
Motodops and tuktuks… man… these guys can be BRUTAL about treating everyone with a white face like a shiny eyed tourist. At first. After about a week most of them had figured out that we weren’t going to give them $5 for anything. In the end a tuktuk trip from downtown to the beach should cost about $2, $3 if it’s fast and round trip. Motodops, $1. These prices aren’t much different than you’d be paying in Phnom Penh… we get a tuktuk from Russian Market to Riverside for $2.50.
Considering that’s about as far as you’ll ever go (unless you want to go to Otres/Ream/etc, then I have no idea on the price as we’d already established “our driver” who we used for the whole day for $20 when those trips were involved.
In Sihanoukville get the Tico tuktuks… they’re the same price as the others and significantly more comfortable. Soft seats, a steady ride with decent suspension, and they don’t have to slow to a crawl to make it up the hills. The drivers are also a lot less insistent on a little extra if it’s pissing down rain, as they’re inside a nice protected cabin. Some even have aircon that they’ll run for you. Mr Andy (068-222-325/097-774-4646) is a nice young man with a Tico tuktuk who works very hard at perfecting his English and doesn’t try to overcharge at all. He may talk a little more than you like though, he see’s every English speaking fare as a chance to practice.
Or, you can rent a moto. Most places do airwaves for about $3 a day monthly rate, $4 a day weekly and $5 a day short term. Larger bikes like Phantoms/Nighthawks can be had around $25 a day… but that’s just stupid. We ended up getting a pretty new Nuvou 135cc (or whatever it’s called) for $5 a day for 2 weeks, it has a lot of power for going up the hills riding double and we’re enjoying having our own vehicle to explore a little with. I have heard that you should avoid DD Canada (a place downtown) for moto rentals as the owner has been known to pull the Lucky Lucky steal-it-back routine. I was surprised to find this cheaper than Phnom Penh ($8 a day most places I’ve seen, with $5/day as a monthly rate) and in most cases the quality of the moto was much higher with many of them being almost new.
We also rented a Jeep to drive out to Ream national park one day, $40 for the day. It was ok, but we discovered that the wife gets carsick pretty fast in them.
Food
Us westerners and our food… well, there’s a lot of choices here at a lot of different levels of quality and price. I don’t budget shop, so if that’s what you’re after I have little information for you. The wife says that fresh seafood at the market in Sihanoukville (tokay fish, snapper, barracuda, prawns) is VERY cheap… that’s the most you get from me on being a cheap-o.
There are 2 main Sihanoukville supermarkets… Lucky Ocean which is a complete joke as far as I’m concerned, and Samudera (though I probably spelled that wrong) which is fantastic. Large selection, good produce, good meats, a TON of cheeses, and prices on par with Lucky’s in Phnom Penh. There were a few things we were able to get at Samudera that I haven’t even been able to find in Phnom Penh… a cast iron pan (not a skillet, more like a cornbread pan) and a nice cake decorating system for the wife.
When it comes to eating out Sihanoukville has a ton of options and not all of them are good, but many are great, just like Phnom Penh. Donor Kebabs, Samurai Japanese food, Charlie Harper’s western food, Reef Resort’s amazing BBQ, etc.
Entertainment
This was one of the big thing’s I’d heard… “if you don’t like the beach then there’s nothing to do in Sihanoukville.” They were wrong. We’ve been horseback riding, out to a pretty amazing national forest, fed some monkeys, seen some movies, visited some waterfalls, fished, watched some sports, been on a few pub crawls, played some poker… and there’s more that I just haven’t found the time for. We happen to like the beach, so have used a lot of our free time there as well. There’s not as much art/culture stuff compared to Sihanoukville, but there’s still plenty to do.
Traffic
Fuck Phnom Penh traffic. Khmer ARE fully capable of driving in a somewhat sane and reasonable manner… I’ve now seen proof of it. I have not been in a single traffic jam, not even a small under a minute “while this SUV asserts his dominance” sort of one, since I arrived here. Even in front of the central market. On the roads you see a lot less of the SUV assholes for one, and when you do they’re not driving like complete and total pricks. Today we actually went on a drive just for fun and to explore a bit… it was very nice and at no point did I feel like dragging someone out of their car and choking them to death, instead I saw some nice scenery as I was able to look around while I drove instead of being constantly on the defensive.
Crime
A lot of people have this concept that S'ville is a crime laden evil place... it's not. Most of the crimes, as discussed in another thread, are things that would happen in either city if you acted the way the victims did in either city. Stupid shit like leaving a backpack on the beach while you go swim, having a sleep while a bar girl is in your apartment, pulling out big wads of cash in public, etc. The main difference is, people down here are mostly on holiday and don't seem to bring their brains on vacation with them... so do stupid shit like this. So you hear about it more. Haven't heard of any violent crimes happening down here recently like those happening in Phnom Penh.
This has been the #1 stress relief for me… not having daily road rage every time I want to go to the supermarket or to have a drink. When I arrive somewhere I feel relaxed and ready to enjoy whatever it was I was going to do… not worn out and relieved to have made it alive. The noise level is about 20% that in Phnom Penh, with less traffic there seems to be less need to honk your horn every 15 seconds to let the world know you exist.
Police here are assholes compared to Phnom Penh. They stop pretty much every foreigner they see and try to shake them down… but there are ways to go that can get you around them so it’s not much hassle. Also like Phnom Penh they tend to set up in the same places all the time.
I was asked to elaborate on a few other subjects like jobs/school/locals attitude… but honestly I don’t know about the first two and haven’t been here long enough to really be exposed to the latter. The few experiences with locals I’ve had have been pleasant though, no horror stories/etc. Obviously around the beach clubs you get a few shifty characters, of all races, be on guard.
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Overall the experience has been VERY nice. I wanted to make the move permanently, however the wife has been insistent on wanting to live in Phnom Penh part of the time as well. The end result is a compromise of us alternating every other month… which is fine, I have a number of friends in Phnom Penh and will be glad to see them again after this month is up. I’ve kinda missed Rebo’s “special hugs”.
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For your line of work it's fine, but there are fuck all jobs in Sihanoukville outside of the hospitality industry. I haven't heard of any decent schools there either, maybe Home of English is about the best bet if you have kids, but the other choices seem dismal.OrangeDragon wrote: I was asked to elaborate on a few other subjects like jobs/school/
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I don't know the details, but I'll find some out the next time i see her, but the korean american girlfriend of one of the bar owners here teaches at a school she said was pretty upscale. there's also a build bright facility here (from a teaching job aspect).Lucky Lucan wrote:For your line of work it's fine, but there are fuck all jobs in Sihanoukville outside of the hospitality industry. I haven't heard of any decent schools there either, maybe Home of English is about the best bet if you have kids, but the other choices seem dismal.OrangeDragon wrote: I was asked to elaborate on a few other subjects like jobs/school/
there's also some IT jobs i've heard about down here from time to time, especially as ezcomm is expanding to include the islands/etc.
but yeah, by and large hospitality seems to be where it's at. i suppose someone working in shipping/receiving could set something up here as well with the ports being so close.
*shrug*
like i said, for me it works and i didn't really hunt for much else. these are just things i've heard in passing over homemade cider.
also a LOT of NGOs down here, i presume they hire white people.
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OD, Thanks for the write-up.
btw How did the Tech School/Training work out for you? Sorry if I missed any follow up.
btw How did the Tech School/Training work out for you? Sorry if I missed any follow up.
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Excellent report, thank you!
(I was only joking when I said NOW)
Sorry, but compared to other places I've lived - Kampong Cham in my case - 'The Penh' sucks. Bigtime.
I also lived in Battambang, a hole, imho.
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Sorry, but compared to other places I've lived - Kampong Cham in my case - 'The Penh' sucks. Bigtime.
I also lived in Battambang, a hole, imho.
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Do a Kampong Cham write up, Vlad. Counting tumbleweeds on your days off, visiting Snoul for day trips, getting an early night....vladimir wrote: Sorry, but compared to other places I've lived - Kampong Cham in my case - 'The Penh' sucks. Bigtime.
Seriously though, I'd like to hear a bit more about living in Kampong Cham. Not somewhere I fancy relocating to, but I've passed through it a lot and can't see much going on there.
And great post, OD. You are getting the best of both.
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True, there's not much going on, but that's the attraction.
I stayed opposite Mekong Crossing, and then moved so I was staying next door to Joe (rip)
Very quiet after 830pm, no devious traffic police, the Mekong 40 meters away, very scenic country, lots of decent fishing available, very friendly locals, traffic negligible
I was paying $150/month for a 6 bed-roomed house
Last time we went we stayed in a guesthouse, room with a fan, tv and double bed, R5000
Also stayed at VIP hotel, $25, luxurious room, four poster bed, bath, incredible wood furniture, balcony facing the river
Close enough to PP for shopping etc.
Local hospital is reasonable, even good by Khmer standards
A lot of westerners moving in now, an Italian restaurant and an ice-cream parlour last time I visited
Lots of wildlife if one is interested, take a torch, wear shoes and mosquito repellant, many snakes
Good cycling area, not many big hills
We watched the festival from the bridge when they put candles in coconut shells/banana leaf boats and they float down the river at night, really beautiful
I would try and buy some land near the river if I went back, do some mixed crop/livestock farming
I stayed opposite Mekong Crossing, and then moved so I was staying next door to Joe (rip)
Very quiet after 830pm, no devious traffic police, the Mekong 40 meters away, very scenic country, lots of decent fishing available, very friendly locals, traffic negligible
I was paying $150/month for a 6 bed-roomed house
Last time we went we stayed in a guesthouse, room with a fan, tv and double bed, R5000
Also stayed at VIP hotel, $25, luxurious room, four poster bed, bath, incredible wood furniture, balcony facing the river
Close enough to PP for shopping etc.
Local hospital is reasonable, even good by Khmer standards
A lot of westerners moving in now, an Italian restaurant and an ice-cream parlour last time I visited
Lots of wildlife if one is interested, take a torch, wear shoes and mosquito repellant, many snakes
Good cycling area, not many big hills
We watched the festival from the bridge when they put candles in coconut shells/banana leaf boats and they float down the river at night, really beautiful
I would try and buy some land near the river if I went back, do some mixed crop/livestock farming
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I thought posts that didn't trash Sihanoukville were not allowed on this forum. I expect his immediate expulsion!
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LoL, a permaban is in order!johnny lightning wrote:I thought posts that didn't trash Sihanoukville were not allowed on this forum. I expect his immediate expulsion!
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it was ok, had 3 students... 1 signed on as an employee. have another coming up but only taking on one student and just doing private study. got a newish contract with a medical billing company a few months ago that's eating my schedule for a full 40 hours a week for the next 6 months so i'm likely taking a break after this guy. he's expressed interest in employment as well.Milord wrote:OD, Thanks for the write-up.
btw How did the Tech School/Training work out for you? Sorry if I missed any follow up.
unfortunately, the medical billing gig is 100% senior level work so there's not much i can shove off onto them... however it's giving me the income to just pay them a salary and have them work up some personal projects i've never had the time to do myself like search-cambodia and an e-commerce solution that uses Cambodia bank friendly payment services.
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James Allan Morrow, American Pedophile Arrested in Phnom Penh, Cambodia
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