Good research fellas - there's a role for cutting&pasting when it's done relevantly and thoughtfully. This is all building up a clearer picture.
Where's that guy's lawyer then?
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Who gets offered sex walking along the river front?DAVID Ford, an Australian high school teacher who worked as a volunteer chemistry and biology adviser at Royal Phnom Penh University, says that he did not sleep with underage Cambodian boys but it was not for lack of opportunity.
On his daily walk from his small first-floor apartment to the restaurants along the Mekong River, he says he would often be approached by young men asking if he wanted to "dek" or "sleep" – shorthand for paying for sex.
I call shenanigans!
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Glad to be of assistance, but like I said before; just be careful. You are putting yourself in the line of fire here. Locally based journalists who have tried to investigate matters of this nature objectively before now (in other words, not simply from the APLE/ standard issue NGO viewpoint) have been hung out to dry.
You live here and the people you crossing are dangerous and have a great deal of money and influence. The American may or not be guilty, I simply don't know, but by getting involved as a male expat you are making yourself a target. Be very careful.
The American's best hope is that his embassy people investigate the matter seperately from the local authorities and APLE. It was the Australian federal police that stopped the potential miscarriage of justice quoted above.
Glad to be of assistance, but like I said before; just be careful. You are putting yourself in the line of fire here. Locally based journalists who have tried to investigate matters of this nature objectively before now (in other words, not simply from the APLE/ standard issue NGO viewpoint) have been hung out to dry.
You live here and the people you crossing are dangerous and have a great deal of money and influence. The American may or not be guilty, I simply don't know, but by getting involved as a male expat you are making yourself a target. Be very careful.
The American's best hope is that his embassy people investigate the matter seperately from the local authorities and APLE. It was the Australian federal police that stopped the potential miscarriage of justice quoted above.
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You know, if NGO's are registered charities, their finances should be transparent. One question that a competent reporter should ask the head of any of these involved NGO's is "Has your entity ever paid money donated to you to the police for making an arrest of a foreigner?" "Have you ever paid money to a complaining witness?" If so, how much, to whom, when, and why? Then ask to see their books.
Perhaps the NGO's story would be 'Yes, we sometimes pay money to police and to complaining witnesses, but we believe this is a legitimate practice and here's why . . ." Then we could have a nice debate about whether this is overall a good or a bad thing.
Bribing cops or children to have innocent dudes arrested is deplorable. If any of these NGO's are US-based, I would think they could be sued under US law for malicious prosecution if they are paying to have foreginers arrested just so that they can use the publicity to raise even more money.
On the other hand, Cambodia has made great strides in the last five years or so in combatting pedophilia. That's a good thing. Don't NGO's have to get some of the credit for that?
All of the NGO paranoia stuff aside, this dude was sleeping alone in a room (perhaps in a bed?) with preteen girls he barely knew. The NGO's didn't set that up. I still believe he's likely guilty.
Perhaps the NGO's story would be 'Yes, we sometimes pay money to police and to complaining witnesses, but we believe this is a legitimate practice and here's why . . ." Then we could have a nice debate about whether this is overall a good or a bad thing.
Bribing cops or children to have innocent dudes arrested is deplorable. If any of these NGO's are US-based, I would think they could be sued under US law for malicious prosecution if they are paying to have foreginers arrested just so that they can use the publicity to raise even more money.
On the other hand, Cambodia has made great strides in the last five years or so in combatting pedophilia. That's a good thing. Don't NGO's have to get some of the credit for that?
All of the NGO paranoia stuff aside, this dude was sleeping alone in a room (perhaps in a bed?) with preteen girls he barely knew. The NGO's didn't set that up. I still believe he's likely guilty.
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Chad and chavez, you're both right. However my very raison d'etre for being in Cambodia is to provide opportunities to the most disadvantaged kids and I'm not going to allow ignorant (even if well-meaning) cunts prevent me and harm the kids' interests.
I work with local Khmers with whom I have a mutually trusting relationship, so there is no serious personal risk there. As far as this case is concerned, it's really got nothing to do with me but I don't want to simply bury my head in the sand. Ideally, I'd like to share all my knowledge with the guy's lawyer and move on. If anyone reads in the press or anywhere that he's in town, maybe you could let me know.
Gav, yes Cambodia is making 'great strides' and we all applaud that, but that doesn't excuse the collateral damage of framing innocent men. I'm not saying this guy is innocent - I have no idea, but the NGOs must act in a clean and responsible fashion, as you indicate.
I work with local Khmers with whom I have a mutually trusting relationship, so there is no serious personal risk there. As far as this case is concerned, it's really got nothing to do with me but I don't want to simply bury my head in the sand. Ideally, I'd like to share all my knowledge with the guy's lawyer and move on. If anyone reads in the press or anywhere that he's in town, maybe you could let me know.
Gav, yes Cambodia is making 'great strides' and we all applaud that, but that doesn't excuse the collateral damage of framing innocent men. I'm not saying this guy is innocent - I have no idea, but the NGOs must act in a clean and responsible fashion, as you indicate.
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I don't think you've supplied sufficient evidence to prove the person is an NGO spy.
Colombo here does, however, have some further insights to share. It's somewhat explosive.
I also have interesting students in my classes. Today I had a very interesting conversation with one who works for a certain NGO which has been implicated in mis-carriages of justice (I won't say more now - this requires further investigation), and then I had a very long conversation with a senior reporter who covers all the pedo/rape etc. cases and has personally interviewed all relevant parties. He tells me that despite what he finds out, his organisation can only report official court/police records and statements. Off the record, he let me into a whole series of miscarriages of justice, which paints a very scary picture indeed.
I will simply repeat here some of the accounts he related to me.
1. The Green case - he's spoken to Green, and the police. He's sure the guy is innocent. He's put me in contact with his lawyer - who is Cambodian.
2. Cleghorn - he's sure that guy was framed. Cleghorn owned valuable real estate in Siem Reap - the police wanted it. They took it. For over 6 months the NGO didn't get involved since there were no grounds. Then they started on the girls and created a case once the police had lost interest, having divested him of his property. He's been waiting for trial for over 3 and a half years now.
3. A Belgian guy - dunno his name but you might remember. He was due to marry a Khmer lady who had a 14 yr old son. NGO snoops followed the 3 of them to a hotel. With 2 rooms available they followed normal Cambodian cultural procedure - the female in one room, the two males in separate beds in another. Cops tipped off - they burst in and find nothing. So they strip the boy naked and photograph him. Now had evidence. the court didn't take that evidence seriously but he had a prior conviction from a decade back and that was enough to do him. He's frying, but at least he feels the prison conditions are acceptable.
This appears to be not a solitary incident but a litany of injustice, perpetrated by police and NGOs who are far more concerned with their finances than with either justice or the protection of vulnerable women and children.
Colombo here does, however, have some further insights to share. It's somewhat explosive.
I also have interesting students in my classes. Today I had a very interesting conversation with one who works for a certain NGO which has been implicated in mis-carriages of justice (I won't say more now - this requires further investigation), and then I had a very long conversation with a senior reporter who covers all the pedo/rape etc. cases and has personally interviewed all relevant parties. He tells me that despite what he finds out, his organisation can only report official court/police records and statements. Off the record, he let me into a whole series of miscarriages of justice, which paints a very scary picture indeed.
I will simply repeat here some of the accounts he related to me.
1. The Green case - he's spoken to Green, and the police. He's sure the guy is innocent. He's put me in contact with his lawyer - who is Cambodian.
2. Cleghorn - he's sure that guy was framed. Cleghorn owned valuable real estate in Siem Reap - the police wanted it. They took it. For over 6 months the NGO didn't get involved since there were no grounds. Then they started on the girls and created a case once the police had lost interest, having divested him of his property. He's been waiting for trial for over 3 and a half years now.
3. A Belgian guy - dunno his name but you might remember. He was due to marry a Khmer lady who had a 14 yr old son. NGO snoops followed the 3 of them to a hotel. With 2 rooms available they followed normal Cambodian cultural procedure - the female in one room, the two males in separate beds in another. Cops tipped off - they burst in and find nothing. So they strip the boy naked and photograph him. Now had evidence. the court didn't take that evidence seriously but he had a prior conviction from a decade back and that was enough to do him. He's frying, but at least he feels the prison conditions are acceptable.
This appears to be not a solitary incident but a litany of injustice, perpetrated by police and NGOs who are far more concerned with their finances than with either justice or the protection of vulnerable women and children.
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Normal Cambodian cultural procedure? I doubt it! Normally Khmers will book the least number of rooms possible to keep costs at their lowest. It would not matter about age, sex or size as long as you can get as many as possible on the bed and the floor. I have travelled personally with Khmer families and friends and this was the case at those times. Hotel and GH owners nearly always complain about Khmers sneaking in extra guests and stretching the resources.andyinasia wrote:With 2 rooms available they followed normal Cambodian cultural procedure - the female in one room, the two males in separate beds in another.
Community bedding arrangements usually ensure that no hanky-panky takes place. Why would it? You would be playing cards, watching TV, eating or showering.
Privacy between a couple of a travelling group usually infers that couple will probably want to have sex. General Khmer culture is that sex between partners is private.
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This guy?andyinasia wrote: 3. A Belgian guy - dunno his name but you might remember. He was due to marry a Khmer lady who had a 14 yr old son. NGO snoops followed the 3 of them to a hotel. With 2 rooms available they followed normal Cambodian cultural procedure - the female in one room, the two males in separate beds in another. Cops tipped off - they burst in and find nothing. So they strip the boy naked and photograph him. Now had evidence. the court didn't take that evidence seriously but he had a prior conviction from a decade back and that was enough to do him. He's frying, but at least he feels the prison conditions are acceptable.
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He only said he'd marry the Khmer lady after being arrested.
The fact that he abused his position as a school teacher in order to rape a bunch of young boys in Belgium doesn't really give him a lot of credibility does it? It does give a lot of credibility to the idea that he was putting the family into a position where they were dependent on him and would not turn him. Cold, calculated...fucking lowlife. Deserves the 18 years that he got.
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