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I haven't responded for the following reasons:
1. I'm very busy at the moment and can't afford to allow myself to be distracted by this so have not been following the thread.
2. C2U's allegations, if that's what one should call them, are rather vague and therefore hard to respond to.
I have only briefly scanned the thread so may have missed something, but as far as I can see, it contains nothing specific against me, just vague references to 'spreading bullshit'. He has, as far as I can see, declined my request to elucidate. One can only conclude that the reason for this is that his allegations lack substance and cannot be supported by fact.
If C2U believes that I behaved inappropriately / unprofessionally or whatever towards him during his employment at HOE, he should take up the matter with the school's owners / directors. Doubtless, they will have better things to do, but they are good people and I am sure they would give him a fair hearing.
If subsequently the school's owners / directors should wish to discuss the matter with me, I would make myself available to them.
However, if the school's owners / directors find that I have no case to answer, I think it reasonable for me to expect that C2U's little internet hate campaign against me stop, permanently.
1. I'm very busy at the moment and can't afford to allow myself to be distracted by this so have not been following the thread.
2. C2U's allegations, if that's what one should call them, are rather vague and therefore hard to respond to.
I have only briefly scanned the thread so may have missed something, but as far as I can see, it contains nothing specific against me, just vague references to 'spreading bullshit'. He has, as far as I can see, declined my request to elucidate. One can only conclude that the reason for this is that his allegations lack substance and cannot be supported by fact.
If C2U believes that I behaved inappropriately / unprofessionally or whatever towards him during his employment at HOE, he should take up the matter with the school's owners / directors. Doubtless, they will have better things to do, but they are good people and I am sure they would give him a fair hearing.
If subsequently the school's owners / directors should wish to discuss the matter with me, I would make myself available to them.
However, if the school's owners / directors find that I have no case to answer, I think it reasonable for me to expect that C2U's little internet hate campaign against me stop, permanently.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
Incorrect. My predecessor took up another position within the school, a position he still holds till this day.Chuangt2u wrote:
amongst a large staff, meet slavedog
manager of campus walks out and quits with no notice
slavedog made new manager of campus
Although what the relevance of this is I have no idea.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Well done to slavedog for coming here and posting his view. It would be cool if the whole sorry episode could be sorted out. I, personally, have found chuangt2u to be a sound bloke, so it would be great if you two could just drop whatever bad blood exists between you.
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I wonder if a certain tangata whenua dipso is entangled in ct2u's paranoiac melodrama as one of the other two unmentionables.
Anyway, slavedog, good to hear you've been too busy to respond. I take it the beer koozie business is rolling.
Anyway, slavedog, good to hear you've been too busy to respond. I take it the beer koozie business is rolling.
Looks like you missed this, slavedog.
What was the gossip, where did it come from, and who did you spread it to.
What was the gossip, where did it come from, and who did you spread it to.
And you also missed this, slavedog.Chuangt2u wrote:1.gavinmac wrote:He never offers any facts to back up his claims of this gossip,2.slavedog wrote:Is it not true that you left your previous employer under a similar cloud - i.e. colleagues spreading rumours and talking about you behind your back? Would you like to blame me for that as well?
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 4&start=753.slavedog wrote:You worked at a school, couldn't get along with your colleagues, accusations and counter-accusations were made, you left without giving notice.
I'm on good terms with the management at that school and was given the full story.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... t+#p4228554.Chuangt2u wrote:I jumped to no conclusions - you said my previous employer, which was vladimirslavedog wrote: Who said anything about Vladamir? I know several members of staff at the school, have done for many years. You have incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that I was referring to Vladamir.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p6496655.slavedog wrote:Not sure why you are having such trouble with the idea that I could have spoken to someone at the school who is not Vladamir. It's fairly big school, after all.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p652437slavedog wrote:Won't be saying. It was off the record.Chuangt2u wrote: Who was the manager you 'talked to' ? (see above, my mangers are all there)
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p652437Motive?gavinmac wrote:he never offers any motive as to why his former co-worker would tirelessly work for five years to ruin his life, there hasn't been any substantiation of his claims in five years.
Who knows.
He won't name his source.
We don't know who he spoke to and we don't know what was said.
But WE DO KNOW THAT GOSSIP IS PASSING THROUGH HIM AND THE EMPLOYMENT CHAIN. He's the last link in that chain, as I haven't worked full-time since encountering this through him and his friends and leaving that school.
I never said anyone worked tirelessly for five years to ruin my life. That's a lie from gavinmac.
Substantiation of my claims are above, from slavedog himself.
Chuangt2u wrote:The only way that this can begin to 'heal' as you put it, Alan, is for there to be honest and open dialogue about it.
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
When there's an honest dialogue and grievances can be aired, then resolutions can be made.
When there's nothing but denial with teasing comments and interference from people wholly unconnected to the issue nothing can be solved.
gavinmac needs to pull his head in and let slavedog argue for himself.
Mods - can you lock gavinmac out of this thread - he's not in the slightest involved in any of this - and let slavedog speak up.
Again:
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of ;the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
Your predecessor quit with no notice, as well you know, and returned a long time later to work in another building for the same school. I've nothing against him - he was a good manager - but you should be honest about that situation.
Looks like in your lack of attention you missed this, slavedog.
What was the gossip, where did it come from, and who did you spread it to.
Dialogue is good. Do come back to comment.
Looks like in your lack of attention you missed this, slavedog.
What was the gossip, where did it come from, and who did you spread it to.
And you also missed this, slavedog.Chuangt2u wrote:1.gavinmac wrote:He never offers any facts to back up his claims of this gossip,2.slavedog wrote:Is it not true that you left your previous employer under a similar cloud - i.e. colleagues spreading rumours and talking about you behind your back? Would you like to blame me for that as well?
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 4&start=753.slavedog wrote:You worked at a school, couldn't get along with your colleagues, accusations and counter-accusations were made, you left without giving notice.
I'm on good terms with the management at that school and was given the full story.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... t+#p4228554.Chuangt2u wrote:I jumped to no conclusions - you said my previous employer, which was vladimirslavedog wrote: Who said anything about Vladamir? I know several members of staff at the school, have done for many years. You have incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that I was referring to Vladamir.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p6496655.slavedog wrote:Not sure why you are having such trouble with the idea that I could have spoken to someone at the school who is not Vladamir. It's fairly big school, after all.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p652437slavedog wrote:Won't be saying. It was off the record.Chuangt2u wrote: Who was the manager you 'talked to' ? (see above, my mangers are all there)
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p652437Motive?gavinmac wrote:he never offers any motive as to why his former co-worker would tirelessly work for five years to ruin his life, there hasn't been any substantiation of his claims in five years.
Who knows.
He won't name his source.
We don't know who he spoke to and we don't know what was said.
But WE DO KNOW THAT GOSSIP IS PASSING THROUGH HIM AND THE EMPLOYMENT CHAIN. He's the last link in that chain, as I haven't worked full-time since encountering this through him and his friends and leaving that school.
I never said anyone worked tirelessly for five years to ruin my life. That's a lie from gavinmac.
Substantiation of my claims are above, from slavedog himself.
Perhaps you also missed the contributions from my former colleagues and managers. Amongst other pages, there's a concentration on page 18, I believe.Chuangt2u wrote:The only way that this can begin to 'heal' as you put it, Alan, is for there to be honest and open dialogue about it.
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
When there's an honest dialogue and grievances can be aired, then resolutions can be made.
When there's nothing but denial with teasing comments and interference from people wholly unconnected to the issue nothing can be solved.
gavinmac needs to pull his head in and let slavedog argue for himself.
Mods - can you lock gavinmac out of this thread - he's not in the slightest involved in any of this - and let slavedog speak up.
Again:
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of ;the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
Dialogue is good. Do come back to comment.
So all this getting your knickers in a twist is to do with the comment I made on here a couple of years ago about talking to someone at your previous school? I always assumed there was more to it than that, but had no idea what.
As far as that comment is concerned, I stand by everything I said. A conversation took place between myself and one of you ex-colleagues in which he told me about the story behind your leaving. It was long ago and I can't remember the exact details, but the gist of it was fairly clear, that you had some problems with your colleagues and left abruptly. I think I used the phrase 'left under a cloud'. Well, if getting accused of stealing from your employer by your colleagues is not a cloud, then I don't know what it is. Your own version of events says this is what happened. Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting for a moment that you stole anything, but that wasn't the point.
I have never said the colleague I spoke with was Vladamir - this was your own mistaken conclusion. I don't believe I ever referred to the person as your 'employer' - this seems to be something you came up with, presumably to better fit your own point of view. I did mention that I remain on good terms with the school management - this was true then and is now. By the way, my own kids now attend this school.
As for 'spreading bullshit', as you so eloquently put it, the only people I may have discussed the details of that conversation with are the DOS and owners of HOE. That is not gossiping, just doing my job. As it happens, though, I can't recall ever discussing it with them, although discussions about you did take place - I cannot rule out that it came up in one of those discussions.
As for my mentioning it on 440 a couple of years ago, or whenever it was, please remember that was a direct result of your own provocation. I seem to remember expressing that I had no desire to get into an online row about what, even then, was ancient history. But you just wouldn't let it drop, just like now.
Regarding my predecessor at HOE, I think you are wrong, but I can check easily enough as I am still friends with the person in question. If I'm wrong I will apologise, although, as said, I have no idea of the relevance of this point.
Again, if you have anything of substance against me relating to my conduct at HOE, you really ought to take it up with them. This, of course, is what you should have done five years ago. Perhaps this silly mess could have been averted if you had.
As far as that comment is concerned, I stand by everything I said. A conversation took place between myself and one of you ex-colleagues in which he told me about the story behind your leaving. It was long ago and I can't remember the exact details, but the gist of it was fairly clear, that you had some problems with your colleagues and left abruptly. I think I used the phrase 'left under a cloud'. Well, if getting accused of stealing from your employer by your colleagues is not a cloud, then I don't know what it is. Your own version of events says this is what happened. Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting for a moment that you stole anything, but that wasn't the point.
I have never said the colleague I spoke with was Vladamir - this was your own mistaken conclusion. I don't believe I ever referred to the person as your 'employer' - this seems to be something you came up with, presumably to better fit your own point of view. I did mention that I remain on good terms with the school management - this was true then and is now. By the way, my own kids now attend this school.
As for 'spreading bullshit', as you so eloquently put it, the only people I may have discussed the details of that conversation with are the DOS and owners of HOE. That is not gossiping, just doing my job. As it happens, though, I can't recall ever discussing it with them, although discussions about you did take place - I cannot rule out that it came up in one of those discussions.
As for my mentioning it on 440 a couple of years ago, or whenever it was, please remember that was a direct result of your own provocation. I seem to remember expressing that I had no desire to get into an online row about what, even then, was ancient history. But you just wouldn't let it drop, just like now.
Regarding my predecessor at HOE, I think you are wrong, but I can check easily enough as I am still friends with the person in question. If I'm wrong I will apologise, although, as said, I have no idea of the relevance of this point.
Again, if you have anything of substance against me relating to my conduct at HOE, you really ought to take it up with them. This, of course, is what you should have done five years ago. Perhaps this silly mess could have been averted if you had.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
Appreciated, but better sorted out than dropped.springrain wrote:Well done to slavedog for coming here and posting his view. It would be cool if the whole sorry episode could be sorted out. I, personally, have found chuangt2u to be a sound bloke, so it would be great if you two could just drop whatever bad blood exists between you.
Dropped is what it was last time, and that has led to major problems.
Sorted out in full view of whomever wants to watch would be better, in that it would give a kind of communal closure that would end speculation, which is where the problem lies.
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and I, for one think that is a great time to both move on. Having read all this thread, there are valid cases on both sides, to a greater or lesser degree but there comes a time when we need to close this book and move forward.
You have both stated your cases, of which your certain
You have both stated your cases, of which your certain
Nothing but an opinionated tourist. The Pope spends more time in countries than I do ! It is also not my place to comment on a gentleman's dress. A real 23 minute wonder, that obviously knows little about ovens and cooking in Cambodia.
Excellent, Ed - you're still there.
That shows some stamina.
Sorted better than dropped though, eh? Finish the book before before we close it or we'll never know and it'll never die - don't want that - tried it already and seen where that goes already... thought it would work and it didn't.
Don't want to be back here again in another 6 months doing all this shite again - let's finish it now while we're all here.
That shows some stamina.
Sorted better than dropped though, eh? Finish the book before before we close it or we'll never know and it'll never die - don't want that - tried it already and seen where that goes already... thought it would work and it didn't.
Don't want to be back here again in another 6 months doing all this shite again - let's finish it now while we're all here.
Thanks for replying, slavedog.slavedog wrote:So all this getting your knickers in a twist is to do with the comment I made on here a couple of years ago about talking to someone at your previous school? I always assumed there was more to it than that, but had no idea what.
As far as that comment is concerned, I stand by everything I said. A conversation took place between myself and one of you ex-colleagues in which he told me about the story behind your leaving. It was long ago and I can't remember the exact details, but the gist of it was fairly clear, that you had some problems with your colleagues and left abruptly. I think I used the phrase 'left under a cloud'. Well, if getting accused of stealing from your employer by your colleagues is not a cloud, then I don't know what it is. Your own version of events says this is what happened. Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting for a moment that you stole anything, but that wasn't the point.
I have never said the colleague I spoke with was Vladamir - this was your own mistaken conclusion. I don't believe I ever referred to the person as your 'employer' - this seems to be something you came up with, presumably to better fit your own point of view. I did mention that I remain on good terms with the school management - this was true then and is now. By the way, my own kids now attend this school.
As for 'spreading bullshit', as you so eloquently put it, the only people I may have discussed the details of that conversation with are the DOS and owners of HOE. That is not gossiping, just doing my job. As it happens, though, I can't recall ever discussing it with them, although discussions about you did take place - I cannot rule out that it came up in one of those discussions.
As for my mentioning it on 440 a couple of years ago, or whenever it was, please remember that was a direct result of your own provocation. I seem to remember expressing that I had no desire to get into an online row about what, even then, was ancient history. But you just wouldn't let it drop, just like now.
Regarding my predecessor at HOE, I think you are wrong, but I can check easily enough as I am still friends with the person in question. If I'm wrong I will apologise, although, as said, I have no idea of the relevance of this point.
Again, if you have anything of substance against me relating to my conduct at HOE, you really ought to take it up with them. This, of course, is what you should have done five years ago. Perhaps this silly mess could have been averted if you had.
Let's continue this dialogue, because, if we're honest and open - in full view of the whole of Phnom Penh and all of our peers and ex-colleagues who come here to 440 - then perhaps the roots of this whole sorry affair can be traced, the actions people took based on what they were told and who they believed can be understood, and the entire mess of the last 5 years can be untangled and tracked back to whatever started it all.
It would have been very good to have gotten all of this sorted out 5 years ago, I agree - but nobody was interested in that in the slightest at the time. And I did try.
I think it's important to note that I'm looking to get to the root of what's happened here, not at getting at a particular individual.
Knickers in a twist, eh?
You always assumed there was more to it than a comment you made here, well there was - a lot more, but we'll get to that.
And I'm really not trying to make this fit my own point of view - you mentioned speaking to my previous management and I've listed them all here. You said you were on good terms with them and you remain on good terms with them and that's the story that you were given about my leaving, by them.
Again, that management are all listed in this thread, and, for the major part, are members of 440.
Point to be considered, in fact, there was no teacher management structure at the school you've indicated below - and that can be verified.
This begins to get interesting, thanks for replying.
To begin:
You mention my being accused of stealing, well, that places the school.
You mention 'he' and that narrows it down more. 'He' told you the story behind my leaving.
And now we have that, we can move along.
This is what a colleague from that school where I was accused of stealing mentioned above had to say.
on page 18, Gilmore wrote:Having endured the interminable repartee, I'll now contribute.
I taught with C2U for about a year circa. 2008 at one of the leading, though deliberately very low profile, International schools. I found him to be a dedicated, conscientious teacher who developed strong discipline without losing his temper or showing undue aggression. His lifestyle was very conservative-he didn't touch drugs, hardly drank alcohol and was very devoted to his Filipina wife.
He was highly regarded by our administration and given the responsibility of ensuring that the mainly Filipino primary teachers were following the CIE English Curriculum. This made him enemies and the stress of some of these conflicts led to his eventual resignation.
Slavedog claimed that the Administrator of our school condemned him totally during a social encounter. I find this impossible to believe. The person in question is Malay-Chinese and does not socialise with Westerners. She maintains a very high opinion of C2U till this day.
I can speak with some authority as I am now Head of Secondary School at the same place. He has my respect and the respect of other teachers who worked with him.
Now, that flies in opposition of what you said about not my getting along with people and my leaving under a cloud.
We need to find out more - ideally, who was 'he' ? He wasn't a manager as there were no managers there.
As I've said, there was no teacher management in place at that school and at that time - the owner ran the teachers alone. Both Springrain and Gilmore worked there at that time and still do, afaik, and could confirm this if they pleased.
So, what we have is:
- you were approached by someone with a story about me. He said he was management from my previous employment. You are still on good terms with him.
- he didn't approach my (our) employer, he approached you.
- my (our) employer never spoke of this to me at that time. You never spoke of this to me at that time. And the management layers between you and my (our) employer never spoke of this to me at that time.
There may be actors hidden from me in this tale that have been pulling strings - your strings, slavedog.
I've said here that we need honest and open dialogue, and you've rejoined and replied, so that's what we have.
And again, I think it's important to note that I'm looking to get to the root of what's happened here.
Who was this man?
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In the interests of publicly getting this all out there, "in full view of whomever wants to watch," as Chuangt2u has requested, I have two questions:
1. What was Chuangt2u accused of stealing, and what was the basis of that allegation? What do teachers steal from a school, anyway? Erasers?
2. Slavedog, could you address the allegation that you and two of your henchmen tried to start a 3 on 1 fight with Chuangt2u in a school, but then later cowardly backed down when Chuangt2u approached you guys separately on the streets and started ranting and pointing at you and got in your faces and tried to fight you all individually?
Thank you.
1. What was Chuangt2u accused of stealing, and what was the basis of that allegation? What do teachers steal from a school, anyway? Erasers?
2. Slavedog, could you address the allegation that you and two of your henchmen tried to start a 3 on 1 fight with Chuangt2u in a school, but then later cowardly backed down when Chuangt2u approached you guys separately on the streets and started ranting and pointing at you and got in your faces and tried to fight you all individually?
Thank you.
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