Gender discrimination in employment practices
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Gender discrimination in employment practices
Here is an excerpt to keep you abreast of happenings from the Cambodia parent network yahoo group:
Ali writes:
Hello CPN!
There is a new daycare/preschool opening in BKK specifically for middle class working Cambodian parents who need a quality place for their children to play and be cared for.
The new school will open in late December/early January and is seeking the following positions:
The new school is looking for candidates to fill the following positions:
1. Director's Position: Position filled by mid-December
Female
Native English speaker
Training or a degree in Early Childhood
Experience working in a daycare/preschool.
2. Early Childhood Teacher Position: Position filled by end of December
Female
Native English Speaker
Training or a degree in Early Childhood
Experience working with young children (daycare/preschool)
The Early Childhood teacher will work closely with a Cambodian Childcare trainer.
Nick writes:
Dear CPN
It concerns me that we are still seeing gender-specific job adverts on this forum.
Is there any reason why either position from the post below could not be filled by a man?
Perhaps the lawyers on CPN would like to inform as to whether the Cambodian Labour Law (1997) applies here:
Article 12:
Except for the provisions fully expressing under this law, or in any other legislative text or regulation protecting women
and children, as well as provisions relating to the entry and stay of foreigners, no employer shall consider on account of:
race,
color,
sex,
creed,
religion,
political opinion,
birth,
social origin,
membership of workers' union or the exercise of union activities;
An advert such as this would be against discrimination law in my home country - and, I would presume, in the countries of origin of most of the ex-pats here.
Ali writes:
HI CPN and Nick!
Sorry, I did not mean to intentionally discriminate against males. I was posting for the owner of the new school. While traditionally qualified females are often in the positions of teachers or directors of early childhood programs, I agree that qualified males are equally suitable and desirable for same positions. Sorry for the offence.
I will be happy to receive CV's from all qualified males and females for the following positions: ***
Nick writes:
Hi Ali (and CPN)
Thanks for taking the time to make the correction.
Glad we were able to address this quickly and clearly.
Best of luck recruiting your staff.
Nick
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Ali writes:
Hello CPN!
There is a new daycare/preschool opening in BKK specifically for middle class working Cambodian parents who need a quality place for their children to play and be cared for.
The new school will open in late December/early January and is seeking the following positions:
The new school is looking for candidates to fill the following positions:
1. Director's Position: Position filled by mid-December
Female
Native English speaker
Training or a degree in Early Childhood
Experience working in a daycare/preschool.
2. Early Childhood Teacher Position: Position filled by end of December
Female
Native English Speaker
Training or a degree in Early Childhood
Experience working with young children (daycare/preschool)
The Early Childhood teacher will work closely with a Cambodian Childcare trainer.
Nick writes:
Dear CPN
It concerns me that we are still seeing gender-specific job adverts on this forum.
Is there any reason why either position from the post below could not be filled by a man?
Perhaps the lawyers on CPN would like to inform as to whether the Cambodian Labour Law (1997) applies here:
Article 12:
Except for the provisions fully expressing under this law, or in any other legislative text or regulation protecting women
and children, as well as provisions relating to the entry and stay of foreigners, no employer shall consider on account of:
race,
color,
sex,
creed,
religion,
political opinion,
birth,
social origin,
membership of workers' union or the exercise of union activities;
An advert such as this would be against discrimination law in my home country - and, I would presume, in the countries of origin of most of the ex-pats here.
Ali writes:
HI CPN and Nick!
Sorry, I did not mean to intentionally discriminate against males. I was posting for the owner of the new school. While traditionally qualified females are often in the positions of teachers or directors of early childhood programs, I agree that qualified males are equally suitable and desirable for same positions. Sorry for the offence.
I will be happy to receive CV's from all qualified males and females for the following positions: ***
Nick writes:
Hi Ali (and CPN)
Thanks for taking the time to make the correction.
Glad we were able to address this quickly and clearly.
Best of luck recruiting your staff.
Nick
***
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Gavinmac would approve of this 'discrimination'. So would I.
I wouldn't want male teachers in Cambodia teaching my toddlers, given how lax schools are at background checks etc. When Hope employs a kiddie fiddler without even checking his passport, why take the risk?
I wouldn't want male teachers in Cambodia teaching my toddlers, given how lax schools are at background checks etc. When Hope employs a kiddie fiddler without even checking his passport, why take the risk?
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Discrimination also means freedom of choice.
If they have a preference to females, they should be free to say so. I don't agree with all the "anti-discrimination" shit.
If they have a preference to females, they should be free to say so. I don't agree with all the "anti-discrimination" shit.
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The way to discriminate in hiring without being called on it is to advertise "Women are encouraged to apply." That way nobody is excluded from applying, people who can interpret a little get the message, and you go ahead and hire whoever you want, in this case a woman.
So now all that will happen is that some men will waste their time applying for a job which they have no chance of getting. A victory for CPN!
Serious question, and there's no spin on my question, but are there many male preschool and kindergarten kids generally, both in Cambodia and elsewhere? The only people I can think of who do that are women.
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A school admin I know received flack from some guy because they stated they preferred women for kindergarten posts.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:Discrimination also means freedom of choice.
If they have a preference to females, they should be free to say so. I don't agree with all the "anti-discrimination" shit.
He didn't seem to understand why parents wouldn't want a male accompanying their small children to the en-suite class toilet.
I don't have time for such people, this is a practical and wise move.
If I whined because I didn't make the grade for a bouncer's/PE instructor's job based on my health, everyone would laugh at me, and rightly so.
@scobienz, our posts crossed. There are some, but most schools prefer to err on the side of caution.
I think most overseas classrooms now have security cameras and teacher's assistants, and there are more male kinder teachers.
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My daughter's (and later our son's) kindergarten teacher and Year 1 music teacher was a young guy from the UK, and he was brilliant. All teachers should be like him. Great with kids, super dedicated and very musically oriented, setting my daughter on a path to learn music that she is still following 8 years later. My son's Year 2 teacher was also male, and still to this day he remembers him fondly, in large part because he was male and could relate to him better than all the female teachers before and after. Not sure how many male teachers of very young kids there are out there, but our limited experiences here with them has been very good.scobienz wrote:Serious question, and there's no spin on my question, but are there many male preschool and kindergarten kids generally, both in Cambodia and elsewhere? The only people I can think of who do that are women.
Yeah, I can think of at least a dozen male teachers who teach kindy/primary here. However, I can think of many more female teachers.
Outrageous that people should be advertising gender specific jobs in this way in this day and age. And amazing that some people on this forum seem to support it. Seems to be an assumption that any male who applied for this position is likely to be a kiddy fiddler. The best person for the job should be hired - period. If a school is incapable of vetting its staff before hiring them I wouldn't want my kids going there anyway.
You're in Cambodia, Angelino, not the UK. In case you missed it, one of the biggest schools in the country hired an on-the-run British pedo for over a year, and seemingly didn't even know his name, which suggests they didn't bother to see his passport, let alone do any check on him. Schools hiring the likes of Prestidge, Fruin, Moussaille, Benderman do nothing to inspire confidence in their hiring policies. On the contrary, it shows scant disregard for the safety of their children. If Hope are failing, what about the smaller less resourced schools?Angelino wrote:Outrageous that people should be advertising gender specific jobs in this way in this day and age. And amazing that some people on this forum seem to support it. Seems to be an assumption that any male who applied for this position is likely to be a kiddy fiddler. The best person for the job should be hired - period. If a school is incapable of vetting its staff before hiring them I wouldn't want my kids going there anyway.
There are obviously good young male teachers out there teaching toddlers, but if I had kids in kindergarten and I had a choice between a school with female teachers and male to look after them, I would be discriminating also, and with absolute no apologies.
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What are you saying here ? That females are no kiddie fiddlers ? Let me tell you, you are wrong. Plenty of them in Cambodia.....always been like that. They just don't get arrested because that's against NGO agenda.This Charming Man wrote: I wouldn't want male teachers in Cambodia teaching my toddlers, given how lax schools are at background checks etc. When Hope employs a kiddie fiddler without even checking his passport, why take the risk?
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Proof, or it's dismissed as a bunch of nonsense. Are you seriously asking me to approve western female teachers in Cambodia are fiddling with kids?Advocatus Diaboli wrote:What are you saying here ? That females are no kiddie fiddlers ? Let me tell you, you are wrong. Plenty of them in Cambodia.....always been like that. They just don't get arrested because that's against NGO agenda.This Charming Man wrote: I wouldn't want male teachers in Cambodia teaching my toddlers, given how lax schools are at background checks etc. When Hope employs a kiddie fiddler without even checking his passport, why take the risk?
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