Haha, Enkay made you look stupid.Enkay wrote: 'Become pedo'. Right.
Also, you're saying that to protect children, there should be a camera in a room which lots of people could watch? Parents can be pedos too, you know. Only once they have turned 35, mind you.
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Didn't take long for this topic to appear again. My school doesn't gender discriminate when it comes to employment, though we don't employ Western teachers in our Primary or Montessori schools. This is because the owner believes that the education of young Asian children requires a more holistic, parental-style approach that Western teachers would not provide-nothing to do with fears of abuse.
In my 11 years teaching here, we have only employed two males in the Montessori kindergarten. One, a Filipino , was fired after 4 months for incompetence, but there was no hint of impropriety. The other, a Tibetan, held the position of Senior Teacher, before that position was replaced by Head of School. He was an outstanding teacher, who had the total respect of his peers.
In the Primary school, about 10% of the teachers are male. We only employ qualified, experienced teachers and have not had any problems, apart from the kiddy hugger mentioned on a previous thread. I am the sole parent of a boy, 8, and a girl,4. They both attend our schools. Though they are currently taught by women, I would have no fears if they were taught by males.
In my 11 years teaching here, we have only employed two males in the Montessori kindergarten. One, a Filipino , was fired after 4 months for incompetence, but there was no hint of impropriety. The other, a Tibetan, held the position of Senior Teacher, before that position was replaced by Head of School. He was an outstanding teacher, who had the total respect of his peers.
In the Primary school, about 10% of the teachers are male. We only employ qualified, experienced teachers and have not had any problems, apart from the kiddy hugger mentioned on a previous thread. I am the sole parent of a boy, 8, and a girl,4. They both attend our schools. Though they are currently taught by women, I would have no fears if they were taught by males.
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The angst!Angelino wrote:Outrageous that people should be advertising gender specific jobs in this way in this day and age. And amazing that some people on this forum seem to support it.
Let me tell you about one example: a friend of mine is DoS at a local school. He used to work with a crack-head who was aggressively pro-human rights, like yourself, some might say.
He too would whine about rights when denied a job in kindergarten, but ignored the fact that teachers often have to accompany children to the toilet.
He was also guilty of harassing a female member of staff, seems in that case human rights went out the window.
1. Do you have kids of your own?
2. Would you entrust their safety to a school employee who might not bother to check/might not be able to check their criminal record?
If the answer to 2 is 'Yes', then I would say you're not a responsible parent.
We are talking about a human life being destroyed or respecting ' rights'. I choose saving the life.
Deal with it, be outraged, I don't care.
And look at what 'this day and age' has done for us. The world is screwed.
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I believe that in kindy and early school both genders should be represented by the staff.
However, given that the schools in Cambodia do not do background checks on the staff I would not consider taking my children there.
I would leave the country to have my children educated elsewhere.
Well, that's what I did anyway.
However, given that the schools in Cambodia do not do background checks on the staff I would not consider taking my children there.
I would leave the country to have my children educated elsewhere.
Well, that's what I did anyway.
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Vladimir, have you insisted on every employee, volunteer, contractor etc where your kid goes to school having crc?vladimir wrote:The angst!Angelino wrote:Outrageous that people should be advertising gender specific jobs in this way in this day and age. And amazing that some people on this forum seem to support it.
Let me tell you about one example: a friend of mine is DoS at a local school. He used to work with a crack-head who was aggressively pro-human rights, like yourself, some might say.
He too would whine about rights when denied a job in kindergarten, but ignored the fact that teachers often have to accompany children to the toilet.
He was also guilty of harassing a female member of staff, seems in that case human rights went out the window.
1. Do you have kids of your own?
2. Would you entrust their safety to a school employee who might not bother to check/might not be able to check their criminal record?
If the answer to 2 is 'Yes', then I would say you're not a responsible parent.
We are talking about a human life being destroyed or respecting ' rights'. I choose saving the life.
Deal with it, be outraged, I don't care.
And look at what 'this day and age' has done for us. The world is screwed.
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I'm disappointed with the direction this thread took. The respondent appeals to Cambodian law which, in the cited text, exempts its own explicit legal discrimination before going on to outlaw gender discrimination amongst the masses. And this is the type of moral authority western people are falling over themselves to respect.
I say, if you own a school, hire whoever you want because it is your school. If you disagree, don't send your kids there, write an op-ed, scream it from the top of your building. But you are sick if you think that using the Cambodian government, or any government, with nothing less than the threat of violence at its disposal to enforce its will, should adjudicate morality. This board is too obsessed with pedos to have picked up on that.
I say, if you own a school, hire whoever you want because it is your school. If you disagree, don't send your kids there, write an op-ed, scream it from the top of your building. But you are sick if you think that using the Cambodian government, or any government, with nothing less than the threat of violence at its disposal to enforce its will, should adjudicate morality. This board is too obsessed with pedos to have picked up on that.
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I have no idea what bitcambodia's point is That last post is very confusing.
There are numerous laws in Cambodia, none of which are adhered to. Anti Corruption Laws, Human Rights Laws, Tax Laws, Business Laws, Criminal Laws. None of them are worth no more than the paper they are written on. They were drafted solely so that the chattering Western Governments who complained about lack of progress re Cambodia's development wouldn't turn off the aid. They are token gestures,nothing more.
Do you seriously expect people to take them seriously?
There are numerous laws in Cambodia, none of which are adhered to. Anti Corruption Laws, Human Rights Laws, Tax Laws, Business Laws, Criminal Laws. None of them are worth no more than the paper they are written on. They were drafted solely so that the chattering Western Governments who complained about lack of progress re Cambodia's development wouldn't turn off the aid. They are token gestures,nothing more.
Do you seriously expect people to take them seriously?
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alanclarke72, read the original post.
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I did. Kindergarten posts on Secondhandbreastpumpforsale.com that it wants to hire female teachers. Someone says that's outrageous and you can't discriminate in Cambodia (hahahahaha). Original poster says you're quite right. Men invited to apply also.
What's the big deal?
As LTO says, the school will still hire women and the parents will be happy.
What's the big deal?
As LTO says, the school will still hire women and the parents will be happy.
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I don't think anyone is advocating an unconditional ban on males teaching small children.
The only thing we need to try and ensure, to the best of our ability, is the safety of the children.
With the present unwillingness/inability of many schools to do CRCs we need to do what we can to help.
In many cases, the whingers either don't have kids at schools here, or have never taught a day in their lives, so perhaps their perspective is slightly rosy.
Rant away, I might listen more closely when your kids are being taught by a male who hasn't had any checks whatsoever. (But I'd still suggest you're not being careful enough with your kid's welfare)
The only thing we need to try and ensure, to the best of our ability, is the safety of the children.
With the present unwillingness/inability of many schools to do CRCs we need to do what we can to help.
In many cases, the whingers either don't have kids at schools here, or have never taught a day in their lives, so perhaps their perspective is slightly rosy.
Rant away, I might listen more closely when your kids are being taught by a male who hasn't had any checks whatsoever. (But I'd still suggest you're not being careful enough with your kid's welfare)
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The big deal is the irrepressible mentality among Westerners who seek to impose their will on others by deferring to the authority of the state, when in fact the state is as much an offender to its own laws as the mere citizens it pretends to govern. That was the point I was making in my previous post which you said you didn't understand. You can see from the text in the original post that the law says, paraphrasing, "except for discriminatory laws, there shall be no discrimination." I was hoping people here would be disgusted at the guy who, somewhat threateningly, rebuked a business owner for merely wanting to hire female teachers. With a few good exceptions the comments here have bizarrely centered on pedophilia. The reasons behind the school managers' decision to hire females are not disclosed and therefore totally irrelevant to the discussion as far as I'm concerned. Maybe he thinks women are better care-takers. Maybe he hates men. Whatever. The school doesn't belong to the government or us, and if they want to discriminate then we should all go be really upset about it and write to the newspaper. But we have no right to threaten violence from the state in order to impose our will on others, particularly when the state engages in exactly the same prejudices (and much worse) that we might find distasteful. Can you show me a prejudiced school who imprisons political enemies, evicts landowners, and steals property? Let's stop pretending that the entity which regularly engages in these activities should be the moral arbiter in society at large.alanclarke72 wrote: What's the big deal?
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Who has threatened violence from the state? It's a simple exchange between two people on CPN. The school made an ad. A man objected. The school said sorry.bitcambodia wrote:But we have no right to threaten violence from the state in order to impose our will on others, particularly when the state engages in exactly the same prejudices (and much worse) that we might find distasteful. .alanclarke72 wrote: What's the big deal?
This is the weirdest thread for a long time. I genuinely have no idea why you are so animated by it.
I specified male TEACHERS, not men in general. The age limit does occasionally apply to non-teachers but it is a common theme amongst teachers specifically which is why I commented as such.Enkay wrote:'Become pedo'. Right.GMJS-440 wrote:I think the men should be considered for the job as well but you need to place an age limit on it. Most of the male teachers become Pedo in the late 30's or early 40's so to be safe allow them to hire men below the age of 35. I would require that male teachers are videoed at all times.
If my child was being taught by a male teacher I would request some live video surveillance be conducted with a login I could access to make sure the bloke is acting properly.
Also, you're saying that to protect children, there should be a camera in a room which lots of people could watch? Parents can be pedos too, you know. Only once they have turned 35, mind you.
I think we can all agree on that so let's just move on.
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I have one question: are you on medication?bitcambodia wrote:The reasons behind the school managers' decision to hire females are not disclosed and therefore totally irrelevant to the discussion as far as I'm concerned. Maybe he thinks women are better care-takers. Maybe he hates men. Whatever. The school doesn't belong to the government or us, and if they want to discriminate then we should all go be really upset about it and write to the newspaper. But we have no right to threaten violence from the state in order to impose our will on others, particularly when the state engages in exactly the same prejudices (and much worse) that we might find distasteful. Can you show me a prejudiced school who imprisons political enemies, evicts landowners, and steals property? Let's stop pretending that the entity which regularly engages in these activities should be the moral arbiter in society at large.
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