Nobel Peace Prize should award cowardice

[Abou-Gor]

full article here : http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/b ... el-hun-sen

According to Remy, Prime Minister Hun Sen’s fight against the Pol Pot-led Khmer Rouge – of which he was once also a member – culminated in the January 7, 1979, liberation from the brutal regime, and was testament to the premier’s human rights credentials.

“It is time for those who work in human rights to offer him [Hun Sen] the Nobel Peace Prize or an award for human rights,” he said.

That guy got the heads up and did a runner after successfully moving up the ranks to be a commander. I suggest we all know by now, exactly just what it takes to move up through the ranks in Cambodia.

APHR’s chair Charles Santiago said the continued pushback to the report showed that APHR had clearly hit a nerve.

reminds me of the greed and power thread.

“The continued reaction to our well-researched and thoroughly sourced report suggests that the Cambodian government knows they’ve got a lot to account for and would prefer to bury their heads in the sand rather than confront these issues and engage in necessary reforms,” he said.

[Marvin]

AG
What do think would have happened if HE didn't defect and the Vietnamese didn't invade? Do you think it would have been a better outcome for the people?

[Abou-Gor]

AG
What do think would have happened if HE didn't defect and the Vietnamese didn't invade? Do you think it would have been a better outcome for the people?

its the idea that's laughable - not the invasion. If he hadn't been a KR commander, but just a foot soldier, and he
hadn't maintained his grip on the country through murder and other tyrannical methods. and if Cambodia had seen the benefit of the huge sums of money donated to it as a whole, and not him and his family and all his cronies - setting up a tyrannical power base which will undoubtedly end in violence - then maybe.

As it stands the Vietnamese would be a better recipient if we're pursuing this line of thought.
but as with the Tanzanians when they invaded Uganda helped and depose Ide Armin - the western world will never be seen to support communists.

if not HE, the Viets would have found someone else - maybe better - not much chance of being worse. There were a few that were trained for the invasion with him - he had most of them killed.

[Lucky Lucan]

....if Cambodia had seen the benefit of the huge sums of money donated to it as a whole..., and not him and his family and all his cronies..

It has benefited hugely, I don't see how anyone can argue that. I understand that some have benefited much more than others. Show me one country where the leaders don't benefit disproportionately.

There were a few that were trained for the invasion with him - he had most of them killed.

Where is your source for that? I've never heard anything about it. There were tens of thousands in the Salvation Front. The bulk of its members were either Khmer communists who had been in Hanoi since 1953, refugees from DK, or defectors from Democratic Kampuchea, most of middle or low rank. Eventually the former DK faction took precedence, but not before it had also taken in many officials from the former Sihanouk/ Lon Nol regimes too. There was no big massacre, some of the Hanoi faction may have found themselves side-lined. Eventually most did probably did ok though.






Here's the central committee list for the KUFNS/FUNSK:

Central Committee of FUNSK consists of 15 members, Heng Samrin as Chairman, Chea Sim as vice president, Ros Samay as secretary general. Revolutionary People's Council decreed on January 8, 1979: Heng Samrin (Chairman), Vice Chairman: Pen Sovan. Headed by Heng Samrin, Revolutionary People's Council of Kampuchea includes Hun Sen (Foreign Affairs), Keo Chenda (Culture and Information), Mot Sakun (Economy), Chea Sim (Interior), Pen Sovan (Defense), Nu Beng (Health and Social Affairs), and Chan Ven (Education).

Notice the order of the list, Heng Samrin was the leader, the current PM was just a 26-year-old foreign minister at the time. Most are still working, although Pen Sovan and Chea Sim both died recently.

[Abou-Gor]

The most obvious point to be made was that this idea was about the fact that Le Duc Tho was awarded the Noble Peace Prize for his work getting the Paris peace talks going, but told them to stuff it. After all, they had also given it to that mass murdering fuck-wit Kissinger in the very same year.


That should have read killed off politically, as they were increasingly marginalized in favor of HE's crony-ism - many from his western zone KR days - people such as the infamous Hok Lundy. Although, to give him credit he wasn't as bad as Chea Sim etc. Through this placement of friends and family, he started to pervert the ideas of socialism and promoted a return to the patronage system - where positions went down and money flowed up in an increasingly corrupt government.



s. strangio

He was also accused of poisoning Pen Sovan which made way for him being made PM.

I wonder what he would have been considered as if the Viets hadn't chosen him, and he had remained released, but hiding in Vietnam.

[Lucky Lucan]

The most obvious point to be made was that this idea was about the fact that Le Duc Tho was awarded the Noble Peace Prize for his work getting the Paris peace talks going, but told them to stuff it. After all, they had also given it to that mass murdering fuck-wit Kissinger in the very same year.

The prize was awarded jointly to Lê Đức Thọ and Kissinger.

That should have read killed off politically, as they were increasingly marginalized in favor of HE's crony-ism - many from his western zone KR days

Eastern Zone.

He was also accused of poisoning Pen Sovan which made way for him being made PM.

Pen Sovan wasn't poisoned, he was imprisoned in Vietnam for a decade though. He died of natural causes in Takeo last year.
Maybe you mean Chan Sy? It would have been pretty hard for HE to poison him, he died in Moscow while he was being treated for a heart problem.

[testytesty]

Chan Sy was supposedly poisoned before the heart issues, if the rumors are true.

Sovann was jailed for what appears to be refusing to acquiesce to the Vietnamese Communist orders for their puppet government in Cambodia - many accusations of "(Khmer) nationalism" thrown around in a negative tone.