Why Americans are Flocking to Asia
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I gave facts and figures to back up my claims that you are mistaken... you provide nothing but name calling. Classy and a sure fire way to be "right" about something I suppose.... when, like him, you don't actually have to back it up with anything.
"Most of the green energy you are talking about causes a higher carbon footprint than using fossil fuels"
Myth, but a popular one among those who really WANT anything the left does to be inherently wrong. Initially it was a lot close to the truth... but every year it's getting more and more efficient, because it was becoming profitable so people started actually investing in it instead of waving their "I FEAR CHANGE" banners.
"I believe that factory jobs are better than no jobs."
False representation of what I said... I said educate Americans to do better jobs. Not leave them jobless. Trumps "job growth" has, by the way... again... just been on-trend... not anything he's actually done. I could source you all of the charts and information, but unless it tells you what you already believe you don't seem to care about actual facts so I'll not waste my time.
"And yes, letting go of some of the regulations has brought a lot of jobs"
Which regulations? The ones that have us digging up our own oil reserves so we become full on slaves of the saudis? Great strategic thinking there. There's a reason we've held back from doing so for so long... and that is exactly it.
RINO: Literally something people do to FORCE someone into the extremes of "you're either us or them, and if you're us you can't say bad things about Trump... even if they're true."
"I do like what his policies are doing to improve the quality of life for the working class in America."
Again, look at actual job trends... his policies have nothing to do with it, it was already happening. Since Bush Jr actually... not even Obama. It's just been the natural market growth process post 2007 crash. No one really gets "credit" to their policies for it, though they may love to take said credit.
"Most of the green energy you are talking about causes a higher carbon footprint than using fossil fuels"
Myth, but a popular one among those who really WANT anything the left does to be inherently wrong. Initially it was a lot close to the truth... but every year it's getting more and more efficient, because it was becoming profitable so people started actually investing in it instead of waving their "I FEAR CHANGE" banners.
"I believe that factory jobs are better than no jobs."
False representation of what I said... I said educate Americans to do better jobs. Not leave them jobless. Trumps "job growth" has, by the way... again... just been on-trend... not anything he's actually done. I could source you all of the charts and information, but unless it tells you what you already believe you don't seem to care about actual facts so I'll not waste my time.
"And yes, letting go of some of the regulations has brought a lot of jobs"
Which regulations? The ones that have us digging up our own oil reserves so we become full on slaves of the saudis? Great strategic thinking there. There's a reason we've held back from doing so for so long... and that is exactly it.
RINO: Literally something people do to FORCE someone into the extremes of "you're either us or them, and if you're us you can't say bad things about Trump... even if they're true."
"I do like what his policies are doing to improve the quality of life for the working class in America."
Again, look at actual job trends... his policies have nothing to do with it, it was already happening. Since Bush Jr actually... not even Obama. It's just been the natural market growth process post 2007 crash. No one really gets "credit" to their policies for it, though they may love to take said credit.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
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Manufacturing goes offshore to increase profits but gets bogged down with hidden costs and inconsistency. Shot themselves in the foot, Trump sees the need to get local manufacturing happening again; not going to happen, certainly not on the scale it once was.OrangeDragon wrote:We should give up on low wage low skill industry. It's stupid. We can't do it as cheaply and efficiently as developing nations, so let them...
The west (not just the US) has become increasingly dependent on offshore manufacturing and their economies have adjusted to that, there's probably no going back. The collateral damage is the demise of the micro-economy, where a town, city or state depended exclusively on their local industry.
Up-skill? For some people, 'pulling a lever' is their level of competence and although you may not agree, they are just as important as you or I in the scheme of things.
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There are plenty of links here. I am not going to list again. And yes, all of those ideals are wonderful. guaranteed jobs for everyone, or just pay for those who don't want to work, free education, housing and health care for everyone; until you have to pay for them. 2 of the biggest states in the country are beginning to learn the lesson that comes from overtaxing the people that produce jobs and tax money. Many of them are leaving New York and California to base themselves in states that have much better tax rates for them. When the rest of the country starts taxing them to death, how many do you really think will keep their money in America? Where will the taxes come from to feed all those fancy programs then? Socialism works well until you run out of people to take money from.
There are plenty of links here. I am not going to list again. And yes, all of those ideals are wonderful. guaranteed jobs for everyone, or just pay for those who don't want to work, free education, housing and health care for everyone; until you have to pay for them. 2 of the biggest states in the country are beginning to learn the lesson that comes from overtaxing the people that produce jobs and tax money. Many of them are leaving New York and California to base themselves in states that have much better tax rates for them. When the rest of the country starts taxing them to death, how many do you really think will keep their money in America? Where will the taxes come from to feed all those fancy programs then? Socialism works well until you run out of people to take money from.
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I don't agree that their competence is that limited. They're trainable. Plumbers aren't exactly college level skill workers... but they're damn important and very well paid, and in such demand that for me to get a second floor bathroom roughed in (in the US) I had to go on an 18 week waiting list.kinard wrote: Up-skill? For some people, 'pulling a lever' is their level of competence and although you may not agree, they are just as important as you or I in the scheme of things.
Meanwhile there's some manbun crying about his $250k student loan debt he used to get a degree in folk puppetry making my coffee at starbucks.
Up-skill doesn't mean everyone's a rocket scientist, it just means that the less capable ones will have to do the harder (but less skilled) work. Not unskilled.... but less skilled.
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Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
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Can we take a moment to appreciate the irony that you're very first link in this starts off bragging about the Wisconson Foxconn factory?Johnsell50 wrote:http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 5&start=30
There are plenty of links here. I am not going to list again.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... th-foxconn
Also, you may want to read the newer articles on that same source... you're working with outdated information:A report from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, a nonpartisan government agency, estimated the state would be in the red on the deal until at least 2042, and even that projection didn’t account for the kinds of increased public-services costs associated with population growth.
https://www.industryweek.com/economy/sl ... ufacturers
The auto industry is not unique in terms of plant closures. Other multinational corporations like Caterpillar, IBM, United Technologies, General Electric and many others, have also closed or are closing American manufacturing facilities.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
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Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
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And, when you're ready to stop demanding we bring back candles instead of electric lights, for the sake of the candlemakers:
It is important to point out that many economists do not think that offshoring production to foreign countries is a problem. They believe that the U.S. economy is transitioning out of manufacturing and into a financial and service economy that will provide growth and new jobs. They think that this is a natural transition just like the transition from an agricultural to a manufacturing economy.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
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Yes, but you earlier suggested to 'give up on low wage low skill industry'. I don't see how that is possible.OrangeDragon wrote:...Up-skill doesn't mean everyone's a rocket scientist, it just means that the less capable ones will have to do the harder (but less skilled) work..
The grizzled man-bun is a less viable unit than the menial worker, in fact he could well be a liability.
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Please explain why some foreign automakers are investing billions in factories and assembly plants in America?
The true fact is that many of the new factories are having problems finding workers that are skilled enough. It isn't all "Pulling a lever". And yes, any jobs leaving the US are bad for America. Would you much rather have people on welfare, or people producing, paying taxes, and supporting themselves and their families? Who are all these people going to be doing finances and services for? Each other? There has to be a base to supply these things to and pencil pushers aren't going to fill it.
Sometimes people having jobs really is a good thing:
https://ijr.com/president-trump-outpace ... ob-growth/ From Obamas own mouth.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obama ... ring-jobs/
The true fact is that many of the new factories are having problems finding workers that are skilled enough. It isn't all "Pulling a lever". And yes, any jobs leaving the US are bad for America. Would you much rather have people on welfare, or people producing, paying taxes, and supporting themselves and their families? Who are all these people going to be doing finances and services for? Each other? There has to be a base to supply these things to and pencil pushers aren't going to fill it.
Sometimes people having jobs really is a good thing:
https://ijr.com/president-trump-outpace ... ob-growth/ From Obamas own mouth.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obama ... ring-jobs/
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"It is important to point out that many economists do not think that offshoring production to foreign countries is a problem. They believe that the U.S. economy is transitioning out of manufacturing and into a financial and service economy that will provide growth and new jobs. They think that this is a natural transition just like the transition from an agricultural to a manufacturing economy."
In effect what they are trying to say is that America should rely on others to provide all the real goods this country needs. What do we do when the other countries decide either to raise the prices of these goods or not sell them to us at all? Remember the oil crisis? And on that, many believe that America has much richer oil reserves than the Arabs, or Russia, or... And if you look into fracking it is a lot more green than most are led to believe.
In effect what they are trying to say is that America should rely on others to provide all the real goods this country needs. What do we do when the other countries decide either to raise the prices of these goods or not sell them to us at all? Remember the oil crisis? And on that, many believe that America has much richer oil reserves than the Arabs, or Russia, or... And if you look into fracking it is a lot more green than most are led to believe.
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They could be rendered down to make wax for those lower skilled candle makers to use.The grizzled man-bun is a less viable unit than the menial worker, in fact he could well be a liability.
Or at the very least, used as kindling in that process.
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Manufacturing. There is still an abundance of low skill service work... more demand than workers actually, thus my wait for a new bathroom. There's no way an offshore company can come to my house and put in some plumbing... there will always be a need for local/onsite services such as that. Thus, employment security.kinard wrote:Yes, but you earlier suggested to 'give up on low wage low skill industry'. I don't see how that is possible.OrangeDragon wrote:...Up-skill doesn't mean everyone's a rocket scientist, it just means that the less capable ones will have to do the harder (but less skilled) work..
The grizzled man-bun is a less viable unit than the menial worker, in fact he could well be a liability.
Then their economies will fold, because they depend on us buying them to survive... as it's their only real industry. Symbiotic, not dependent.Johnsell50 wrote: In effect what they are trying to say is that America should rely on others to provide all the real goods this country needs. What do we do when the other countries decide either to raise the prices of these goods or not sell them to us at all?
Yes, and we learned a valuable lesson to not put all of our eggs into a single basket. Which is why it's not a relevant comparison... because do you really think that EVERY developing country with manufacturing facilities we have our goods scattered into will all work in unison to stop providing them? They're in competition with one another... not collaboration. Mexico, China, Turkey, Africa, Haiti... the list goes on and on...Johnsell50 wrote:Remember the oil crisis?
And, if you remember the oil crisis, you will remember why we should hang on to them instead of using them up NOW while we're able to buy it elsewhere.Johnsell50 wrote: And on that, many believe that America has much richer oil reserves than the Arabs, or Russia, or... And if you look into fracking it is a lot more green than most are led to believe.
Again, with outdated information... ignoring the jobs he's killed.Johnsell50 wrote:Please explain why some foreign automakers are investing billions in factories and assembly plants in America?
The true fact is that many of the new factories are having problems finding workers that are skilled enough. It isn't all "Pulling a lever". And yes, any jobs leaving the US are bad for America. Would you much rather have people on welfare, or people producing, paying taxes, and supporting themselves and their families? Who are all these people going to be doing finances and services for? Each other? There has to be a base to supply these things to and pencil pushers aren't going to fill it.
Sometimes people having jobs really is a good thing:
https://ijr.com/president-trump-outpace ... ob-growth/ From Obamas own mouth.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obama ... ring-jobs/
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
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Again, with outdated information... ignoring the jobs he's killed.
Why, with all the jobs Trump has supposedly killed are the unemployment rates so low? Why are employers across the country having problems finding workers? The second link was 2 months ago, the firsst was from a quote by Obama and the date doesn't matter. It was what he said about manufacturing never coming back.
Why, with all the jobs Trump has supposedly killed are the unemployment rates so low? Why are employers across the country having problems finding workers? The second link was 2 months ago, the firsst was from a quote by Obama and the date doesn't matter. It was what he said about manufacturing never coming back.
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I like the kindling notion. It is a natural firestarter...Playboy wrote:They could be rendered down to make wax for those lower skilled candle makers to use.The grizzled man-bun is a less viable unit than the menial worker, in fact he could well be a liability.
Or at the very least, used as kindling in that process.
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$2.49, or they were 19 years ago when I was in Headland last. I am don't know how accurate that is today but if you ask ANY american sitting in a Cambodian bar will know the right answer - for sure and certain.
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$2.49, or they were 19 years ago when I was in Headland last. I am don't know how accurate that is today but if you ask ANY american sitting in a Cambodian bar will know the right answer - for sure and certain.
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