springrain wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 9:07 pm
Aseriousman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:01 pm
The referendum allowed any citizens of Commonwealth nations or British Overseas Territories who are also residents of the UK to vote. Thus people from all the following countries were allowed to vote:
“Anguilla Antigua and Barbuda Australia Bahamas, The Bangladesh Barbados Belize Bermuda Botswana British Antarctic Territory British Indian Ocean Territory British Virgin Islands Brunei Darussalam Cameroon Canada Cayman Islands Cyprus Dominica Falkland Islands Fiji Ghana Gibraltar Grenada Guyana India Ireland Jamaica Kenya Kiribati Lesotho Malawi Malaysia Maldives Malta Mauritius Montserrat Mozambique Namibia Nauru New Zealand Nigeria Pakistan Papua New Guinea Pitcairn Island Rwanda Samoa Seychelles Sierra Leone Singapore Solomon Islands South Africa South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands Sri Lanka St Helena and dependencies St Kitts and Nevis St Lucia St Vincent and The Grenadines Swaziland Tanzania Tonga Trinidad and Tobago Turks and Caicos Islands Tuvalu Uganda Vanuatu Zambia Zimbabwe. “ ( Indy)
These citizens have zero rights under EU law and are not EU citizens. Their existence and rights in the UK are solely based on UK immigration law.
Yet some million UK citizens in the EU exercising their rights as EU&UK citizens were denied a vote.
Our fundamental constitutional rights were changed without us being given a voice.
We were disenfranchised.
YET the citizens of the countries listed above were allowed to change our fundamental rights as British citizens even though they do not have these rights. ( And then there are the EU citizens in the UK who were not allowed to vote even though those on the list above were).
The referendum was a travesty of democracy. In fact it was undemocratic.
Bullshit!
To Asseriousman,
Mate, I shouldn't have been so terse in my earlier reply to one of your posts. It is, indeed, an emotive topic.
But, I would like to address some of your points, viz:
1. You
were allowed to vote in those territories,
provided you had not lived outside the UK for more than 15 years. That criterion also applies to myself, so, quite rightly, I could not vote on it, either. Why should those who no longer even lived, nor contributed tax revenues have a vote on such a matter of such import?
2. A referendum with a simple yes or no answer is about the most democratic style of voting you can get - there is no tactical voting, no party-loyalty (is there anything more nauseating than the I’m-a-staunch Labour-supporter or the I’ve-always-voted-Tory type?). It’s just a simple ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.
Btw, The Independent is anything but free-thinking or Independent. I was a newsagent on the day of its first edition and I fell for the trick too. It has been a fierce campaigner for a new vote, which is, in my view totally undemocratic as it desperately wants to undo the vote; such institutions will be happy to support as many votes as they can until they get the ‘desired’ or ‘right’ result.
Are you aware that a similar event occurred in Ireland? They voted to reject the Lisbon Treaty, but after a wave of propaganda, a new vote was held. This utter travesty of democracy was beautifully summed up by Brendan O’Neill in the Guardian in 2008:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... bon-treaty
Please allow me to quote Jean Monnet from 1952:
Europe’s nations should be guided towards the super-state without the people understanding what is happening.
And that is exactly what is happening.
You want to be micro-chipped, mate? Go right ahead, but please don’t let this lot force it on the rest of us.
Thanks.