That's not "all you said . . . period." What you actually said in your post that I responded to is that the girls were whores and he donated his legal services and this should be considered when evaluating his character.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:46 pm
All I said is, I hope for a unbiased trial because he deserves it. If he really committed the crime, he needs to pay for it. Period.
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My girlfriend asked if I was a pedophile.
I told her that was a really big word for someone her age.
I told her that was a really big word for someone her age.
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Interesting fact I just learnt about Lonely planet. You apparently know more about Pedophiles than I do.scoffer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:44 pmInteresting name you have there "Lonelyplanet."
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The Original Lonelyplanet shut down it's messaging service for several months along with internal posting privileges because it was discovered that pedophiles had infiltrated the website and were posting coded messages to each other on their travel forum.
Why are you attempting to defend someone that chose to have sexual relations with a minor.
A minor is a minor, the age of consent is what is in question.
I picked the name because of my travel passion; for Lonely Planet has great travel books.
I do not and will never defend a pedophile. It’s sickening. What I defend is what if he is innocent and these girls are influenced by their parents and lied. One thing I know is at least one of the claims made by these girl is a straight lie.
Many are quickly judging without knowing all the facts. Or choose to ignore some of the red flags. I can understand why because we human are all programed to trust the victims because of their age. But sometimes age has nothing to do with honesty and good characters.
I hope justice is served.
I have no clue if he paid for sex with these four kids or not, but I'm pretty sure he was set up as far as the charges go.
At least one of these girls is tattooed, something I would expect is quite unusual in most cultures. (info welcome as to tattoos on young girls in Cambodia), and they were out alone at night in what sounds a lot like a pick up place for westerners (and probably locals at a lower price) to find kids. That isn't to suggest all men that go there are into kiddie fiddling, just it's likely to be a place you can go if that's your taste.
The parents' house is a dump, obviously not well off, and poorly looked after, so they're clearly in need of a bit of cash.
Without saying whether or not he did the deeds, I'm guessing the 'loving' parents took the opportunity to get well paid to drop the charges.
I'm half expecting to not to hear they and the cops get paid off, but the case is suddenly dropped for lack of evidence.
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At least one of these girls is tattooed, something I would expect is quite unusual in most cultures. (info welcome as to tattoos on young girls in Cambodia), and they were out alone at night in what sounds a lot like a pick up place for westerners (and probably locals at a lower price) to find kids. That isn't to suggest all men that go there are into kiddie fiddling, just it's likely to be a place you can go if that's your taste.
The parents' house is a dump, obviously not well off, and poorly looked after, so they're clearly in need of a bit of cash.
Without saying whether or not he did the deeds, I'm guessing the 'loving' parents took the opportunity to get well paid to drop the charges.
I'm half expecting to not to hear they and the cops get paid off, but the case is suddenly dropped for lack of evidence.
Opinion?
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WTF? "I don't know if he had sex with girls under age 15 but he was 'set up' when he was arrested for having sex with underage girls"?
Having sex with 12-14 year old girls is a crime. Even if they are tattooed. Even if their parents sell them to you. Even if they are out late at night. Even if they are little whores who are asking for the sex.
What is wrong with people?
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He was arrested for paying for sex with little girls.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:33 am
Many are quickly judging without knowing all the facts. Or choose to ignore some of the red flags.
Pointing out "But these girls were hookers!" is not a "red flag." That fact does not tend to exonerate him, it actually inculpates him.
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Glad to see that I'm not the only person who thinks there are too many posters who verge on defending paedophiles and their
taste'.
Always assuming the parents were complicit and the police took a cut.
It undermines those trying to stop this sickening cancer.
taste'.
Always assuming the parents were complicit and the police took a cut.
It undermines those trying to stop this sickening cancer.
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He was arrested AFTER the parents reported to the police; AFTER he has done that to them 3 times including one time in 2018 (per the parents and the girls). He was not caught in the act. And he denied sexual relationship with those girls.gavinmac wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:13 amHe was arrested for paying for sex with little girls.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:33 am
Many are quickly judging without knowing all the facts. Or choose to ignore some of the red flags.
Pointing out "But these girls were hookers!" is not a "red flag." That fact does not tend to exonerate him, it actually inculpates him.
So answer me, why did they NOT report him after the first time? Which, according to the girl, was all the way back in 2018?
IF He did had sex with them knowing they are underage, he deserves to rot in hell.
But that fact is unknown. In the US, you won’t expect to see girls under 21 at the bars ever; because they check the ID at the entrance. So if you pick up a girl at the bar, you are sure she is over 21.
How the hell someone would expect to find an under 15 year old at the bar!?
Ask yourself if you have ever asked to see a girl’s ID before sleeping with her (after meeting her at a bar)?
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Victims/complainants often have their silence bought, normally so a perpetrator can avoid a trial.
My main advice is to cease rubbishing the children. Whether you believe they were part of a set up involving their parents or abused by the accused is irrelevant; they are victims in both scenarios and deserve some compassion.
I think you forgot the part about how you were born & raised in Cambodia.lonelyplanet wrote:How the hell someone would expect to find an under 15 year old at the bar!?
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So you're saying if a guy has sex with a 12-14 year old and says "I didn't know she was underage I didn't check her ID" then he should skate free?Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:06 am
IF He did had sex with them knowing they are underage, he deserves to rot in hell.
But that fact is unknown. In the US, you won’t expect to see girls under 21 at the bars ever; because they check the ID at the entrance. So if you pick up a girl at the bar, you are sure she is over 21.
How the hell someone would expect to find an under 15 year old at the bar!?
Ask yourself if you have ever asked to see a girl’s ID before sleeping with her (after meeting her at a bar)?
But I believe he has admitted giving them money. Why did he visit Cambodia multiple times and pick up 12-14 year old prostitutes and give them money if not in exchange for having sex with them?
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I was but he wasn’t. So my point was he might have not expected these girls are underage.Prahok wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:11 amVictims/complainants often have their silence bought, normally so a perpetrator can avoid a trial.
My main advice is to cease rubbishing the children. Whether you believe they were part of a set up involving their parents or abused by the accused is irrelevant; they are victims in both scenarios and deserve some compassion.
I think you forgot the part about how you were born & raised in Cambodia.lonelyplanet wrote:How the hell someone would expect to find an under 15 year old at the bar!?
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I’m asking if you would expect to pick up a 12 yo at a bar? And have you ever asked for a woman’s ID before sleeping with her?gavinmac wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:24 amSo you're saying if a guy has sex with a 12-14 year old and says "I didn't know she was underage I didn't check her ID" then he should skate free?Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:06 am
IF He did had sex with them knowing they are underage, he deserves to rot in hell.
But that fact is unknown. In the US, you won’t expect to see girls under 21 at the bars ever; because they check the ID at the entrance. So if you pick up a girl at the bar, you are sure she is over 21.
How the hell someone would expect to find an under 15 year old at the bar!?
Ask yourself if you have ever asked to see a girl’s ID before sleeping with her (after meeting her at a bar)?
But I believe he has admitted giving them money. Why did he return to Cambodia multiple times, without his wife, and pick up 12-14 year old prostitutes and give them money if not in exchange for having sex with them?
To answer your question, assuming that sth sexual really happened; and he did not know they are underage; he should still be punished and learn a lesson; but at least he is forgivable.
But my point is; whether or not sth sexual happened between them is not clear. He is rather popular and liked and respected by people where he lives. From what I heard from the Facebook group he is in; his wife was with him during their entire 2018 trip; that’s why I said at least one of the claims the girls said is a straight lie. There are all reasons behind what you asked me too. This is still developing and he isn’t even tried. But people have already made conclusion.
I hope all evidences are considered. And I would like to know the truth. But we all know (or at least I know) the legal system in Cambodia is a joke.
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