The EU and those mad vegans square off
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Grim Reaper: Did you bother to read your Good Housekeeping link? It is an opinion piece with little factual evidence. It is a fact your body metabolizes complex carbs and proteins far more efficently from raw fruits, vegetables and juices.
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So for the record, you are saying that a vegan diet is healthier than a carefully balanced omnivore one.
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TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:25 amSo for the record, you are saying that a vegan diet is healthier than a carefully balanced omnivore one.
What part of " It is a fact your body metabolizes complex carbs and proteins far more efficently from raw fruits, vegetables and juices.", do you not understand? Those that enjoy the greatest longevity consume primarily(95to 100%) vegetables. Great set of books dedicated to studying clusters of the current longer living humans called Blue Zones by Dan Buttner. Here is a quick overview:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bl ... s#section1
“Blue Zone” is a non-scientific term given to geographic regions that are home to some of the world’s oldest people.
It was first used by the author Dan Buettner, who was studying areas of the world in which people live exceptionally long lives.
They are called Blue Zones because when Buettner and his colleagues were searching for these areas, they drew blue circles around them on a map.
In his book called The Blue Zones, Buettner described five known Blue Zones:
Icaria (Greece): Icaria is an island in Greece where people eat a Mediterranean diet rich in olive oil, red wine and homegrown vegetables.
Ogliastra, Sardinia (Italy): The Ogliastra region of Sardinia is home to some of the oldest men in the world. They live in mountainous regions where they typically work on farms and drink lots of red wine.
Okinawa (Japan): Okinawa is home to the world’s oldest women, who eat a lot of soy-based foods and practice tai chi, a meditative form of exercise.
Nicoya Peninsula (Costa Rica): The Nicoyan diet is based around beans and corn tortillas. The people of this area regularly perform physical jobs into old age and have a sense of life purpose known as “plan de vida.”
The Seventh-day Adventists in Loma Linda, California (USA): The Seventh-day Adventists are a very religious group of people. They’re strict vegetarians and live in tight-knit communities.
Although these are the only areas discussed in Buettner’s book, there may be unidentified areas in the world that could also be Blue Zones.
A number of studies have found that these areas contain extremely high rates of nonagenarians and centenarians, which are people who live over 90 and 100, respectively
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Interestingly, genetics probably only account for 20–30% of longevity. Therefore, environmental influences, including diet and lifestyle, play a huge role in determining your lifespan
, One thing common to Blue Zones is that those who live there primarily eat a 95% plant-based diet.
Although most groups are not strict vegetarians, they only tend to eat meat around five times per month (.
A number of studies, including one in over half a million people, have shown that avoiding meat can significantly reduce the risk of death from heart disease, cancer and a number of other different causes (9
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Instead, diets in the Blue Zones are typically rich in the following:
Vegetables: They’re a great source of fiber and many different vitamins and minerals. Eating more than five servings of fruits and vegetables a day can significantly reduce your risk of heart disease, cancer and death
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Legumes: Legumes include beans, peas, lentils and chickpeas, and they are all rich in fiber and protein. A number of studies have shown that eating legumes is associated with lower mortality
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Whole grains: Whole grains are also rich in fiber. A high intake of whole grains can reduce blood pressure and is associated with reduced colorectal cancer and death from heart disease (15
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Nuts: Nuts are great sources of fiber, protein and polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats. Combined with a healthy diet, they’re associated with reduced mortality and may even help reverse metabolic syndrome
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There are some other dietary factors that define each of the Blue Zones.
For example, fish is often eaten in Icaria and Sardinia. It is a good source of omega-3 fats, which are important for heart and brain health
Eating fish is associated with slower brain decline in old age and reduced heart disease
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This. Most of the places listed above, fish is the first thing I think of.There are some other dietary factors that define each of the Blue Zones.
For example, fish is often eaten in Icaria and Sardinia. It is a good source of omega-3 fats, which are important for heart and brain health
Healthy, unprocessed food is obviously the way to go. I do believe it is possible to be a healthy vegan, it is just that much harder and more expensive, especially when eating out, even more so in Cambodia.
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Expensive? Harder? The list of reasons is a bit worrisome. Tell me about the value of time on this planet. Helps to have goals that are logical and clearly defined.
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... Nl31YhKksQguardian wrote:. Because of the high volume of Brazilian beef shipped to China and Hong Kong, these markets are associated with the highest amount of deforestation in total – 16,000 and 22,500 hectares per year – according to the analysis. The EU also imports more than $600m worth of beef from Brazil each year. And that will increase if the EU and member states approve a new trade deal with Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay to gradually let 99,000 tonnes of low-tariff South American beef into Europe every year.
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Not meaning to be disrespectful but stating the obvious in the last sentence. Many of us mere mortals struggle with that though.
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Meat and dairy appears cheap because it is heavily subsidised by governments. If you include the tax burden in the price as well the externalities that aren't priced- climate change, water pollution, deforestation, etc. then it's much more expensive.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:17 amHealthy, unprocessed food is obviously the way to go. I do believe it is possible to be a healthy vegan, it is just that much harder and more expensive, especially when eating out, even more so in Cambodia.
I don't find vegan food expensive here. Locally produced soy milk is much cheaper than dairy and peanuts are way cheaper than meat. Even the most expensive nuts cost the same as beef per kg.
For anyone struggling to digest their food try cooking it first. This is why we have smaller intestines and larger brains than other primates.
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You are 100% right. Actually my whole post is a piece of sanctimonious bullshit . What I should have said was something like: Life is hard. Eat more beans. edited 3 times
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Yes.
Harder - there is a lot less choice when choosing where to eat out, rules out quite a few local places.
More expensive - as there is a lot less choice on where to eat you will often end up in a western focussed place which is invariably going to be more expensive.
If people are on a budget a more expensive diet is a huge reason not to adopt it.
Eating at home a little different and not that much more expensive, but without taking supplements I’d be surprised if you’d be getting enough b12, vit d and probably omega 3 (with too much omega 6)
If living in California/ London I’d imagine choice is not limited at all, but let’s face it, PP ain’t London.
I have cut my meat intake considerably over the last 3-4 years but I don’t have any interest going vegan and therefore my life goals are reflected as such.
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^^ but not vegan. Fish sauce for example.
Is this thread about vegan or vegetarian diets? Both are very different and healthy and as I said before I know four people who follow a pure vegan diet and look fantastic and have done so for years, but they are wealthy.
I know loads of vegetarians and a few of em don't seem all that healthy.
The blue zone diets seem to be the best which inc fish and a lot of physical labour.
Eat what makes ufeel good n what u can afford and u won't go far wrong.
Who the fuck wants to live to be old ANYWAY? only the rich.
Is this thread about vegan or vegetarian diets? Both are very different and healthy and as I said before I know four people who follow a pure vegan diet and look fantastic and have done so for years, but they are wealthy.
I know loads of vegetarians and a few of em don't seem all that healthy.
The blue zone diets seem to be the best which inc fish and a lot of physical labour.
Eat what makes ufeel good n what u can afford and u won't go far wrong.
Who the fuck wants to live to be old ANYWAY? only the rich.
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Are you a Grim Reaper that qoutes from Good Houskeeping and espouses a "carefully balanced omnivore" diet? Whatever works for you cupcake.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:25 amSo for the record, you are saying that a vegan diet is healthier than a carefully balanced omnivore one.
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