Really? I was thinking that he comes across as a lunatic who just wants to get his hands on everything my family has worked for and give it all away to a bunch of work shy freeloaders.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:35 pmAbsolutely brilliant speech by Corbyn. 100% comes across as honest and truly dedicated to the right principles.
Argue in circles about British politics thread
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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I agree.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:20 pm
And while Johnson rules out any alliance with the Brexit Party, it looks to me not unlikely that the Brexit vote could be split three ways between the Tories, Brexit and parts of the Labour Party.
Lib Dem’s getting nearly the full remain vote (with a smattering of green votes in Brighton) including quite a few ex labour voters
Brexit party stealing a lot of Tory votes and some labour (I don’t fully understand how someone can go from left to far right but that’s politics). Polling at 17% but I can’t seeing being that high in the end.
Labour to hold on to their votes for people who consider more than brexit but not really pick up any new as switching further left
SNP holding steady in Scotland, Tory’s losing most of their Scottish seats
Should lead to a lib/lab coalition with perhaps SNP support.
I would also put it odds on that the next parliament will not last the full fixed term, yet again.
The GE will essentially be a second referendum, much the same as the EU elections earlier this year, with Tories and Brexit Party taking the leave vote and lib dems the remain. Labour - with still nobody clear about their position - will be wiped off the map, which is very obviously why they will do anything to avoid one.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Just my minuscule input (because, as you & Dallow well know, I have other fish to fry):
I genuinely believe Mr Corbyn is an honest & decent man (just like you & Dallow - I mean the 'honest & decent' part, not the shared beliefs.)
He has shown this on many occasions. But the frenzied attacks on what he stands for are believed by those who rely on the fanatically interest-obsessed media to formulate their beliefs.
May I put up this piece again?
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/05 ... -of-power/
I posit that the big-business-interests are shite-scared of Mr Corbyn.
And they will do whatever is necessary to silence him.
Do I trust his party? Hell, no.
Do I trust Him? I would like to see whether he rejects the Thin-Tank-Mentality.
I trust him as a human being, but I am wary of controlling forces & shadows.
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
Attributed to Napoleon
Attributed to Napoleon
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Well, as long as they've done an honest day's work for it, and not cheated and lied for it, supporting off shore banking and other tax dodges, not voted down the NHS, supported education and access to justice for all, believed in truth and decency, I can sympathise. But only a little bit because if they don't care about Britain as a whole, but just care for themselves, then they are definitely part of the problem.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:24 pmReally? I was thinking that he comes across as a lunatic who just wants to get his hands on everything my family has worked for and give it all away to a bunch of work shy freeloaders.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:35 pmAbsolutely brilliant speech by Corbyn. 100% comes across as honest and truly dedicated to the right principles.
You were spouting the Buddhist philosophy of mindfulness on a thread recently. How about the one about: look after others and you will in turn be looked after yourself.
I think you just need to relax a little bit and have some faith. Count collective wealth, not individual, or are you saying you would prefer inequality where 5 people own more than half the world's wealth?
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Up the workers!
I get a bit tired of people spouting sanctimonious bollocks about 'collective weatlh' shared amongst everyone, and avoiding inequality, when they are living as expats in one of the poorest countries of the world, effectively enjoying those 50 cent beers and $5 meals because the people growing, preparing and serving the food are on slave wages.
Come on - you can't have it both ways.
Come on - you can't have it both ways.
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As I equally get tired of those that spout the status quo: immense inequality, huge profits made on the back of human misery etc etc. I work in a country that sets it's own economy. I get paid what I get paid because they are charging an enormous amount to their own people. I don't set the rate, they do. I'm all for reducing their profits and allowing greater access to things like a decent education for the majority, not the minority. So if you're going to have a go at anybody, have a go at them.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:03 pmI get a bit tired of people spouting sanctimonious bollocks about 'collective weatlh' shared amongst everyone, and avoiding inequality, when they are living as expats in one of the poorest countries of the world, effectively enjoying those 50 cent beers and $5 meals because the people growing, preparing and serving the food are on slave wages.
Come on - you can't have it both ways.
Up the workers!
kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:16 pmAs I equally get tired of those that spout the status quo: immense inequality, huge profits made on the back of human misery etc etc. I work in a country that sets it's own economy. I get paid what I get paid because they are charging an enormous amount to their own people. I don't set the rate, they do. I'm all for reducing their profits and allowing greater access to things like a decent education for the majority, not the minority. So if you're going to have a go at anybody, have a go at them.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:03 pmI get a bit tired of people spouting sanctimonious bollocks about 'collective weatlh' shared amongst everyone, and avoiding inequality, when they are living as expats in one of the poorest countries of the world, effectively enjoying those 50 cent beers and $5 meals because the people growing, preparing and serving the food are on slave wages.
Come on - you can't have it both ways.
Ahhhh, the old 'it's not my fault, it's someone else's - Go blame them' excuse. Nice one.
When you lefties actually start living up to your ideals with tangible and measurable actions taken on a personal level, I'll start respecting you a bit more.
Until then, it's all meaningless platitudes uttered solely to make you feel good about yourself.
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NHS, Citizen's Advice, Social Services, Child Benefit, Unemployment Benefit, Housing Benefit etc etc. All are meaningless platitudes to scobienez.
You really should read some UK history.
You really should read some UK history.
Up the workers!
I'm British and I live in Britain. All of those are good things, or were until benefits became a lifestyle choice for hundreds of thousands, rather than a safety net.
But I wasn't talking about those sort of things. I was talking about personal gestures. What, for example, do you as a well-paid expat (by your own admission) do to mitigate the fact that you have a good lifestyle directly because you benefit from the exploitation of cheap labour. Or doesn't it matter, if it's you?
Muslims, for example, give up 2% of their net worth every Ramadan for good causes, over and above their tax obligations. What do you do?
But I wasn't talking about those sort of things. I was talking about personal gestures. What, for example, do you as a well-paid expat (by your own admission) do to mitigate the fact that you have a good lifestyle directly because you benefit from the exploitation of cheap labour. Or doesn't it matter, if it's you?
Muslims, for example, give up 2% of their net worth every Ramadan for good causes, over and above their tax obligations. What do you do?
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I vote Labour!
So should you, brother.
Education
Green Revolution
Housing
Generic Drugs Factory Breaking the Stanglehold of the Powerful Drug Industry
Revitalise Enterprise
Hold Tax Dodgers to Account
Improved Employment Law including a Complete Ban on Zero Hour Contracts
Improved Bus and Rail Service
Basic Needs Industries such as Water and Power back in Government Hands
The man and the party have so many great ideas backed by people who really know what they're on about: the people who work in the different sectors, not the shareholders.
So should you, brother.
Education
Green Revolution
Housing
Generic Drugs Factory Breaking the Stanglehold of the Powerful Drug Industry
Revitalise Enterprise
Hold Tax Dodgers to Account
Improved Employment Law including a Complete Ban on Zero Hour Contracts
Improved Bus and Rail Service
Basic Needs Industries such as Water and Power back in Government Hands
The man and the party have so many great ideas backed by people who really know what they're on about: the people who work in the different sectors, not the shareholders.
Up the workers!
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A competition to redesign the government’s “get ready for Brexit” poster has been launched by the pro-remain activists behind a nationwide billboard campaign designed to embarrass Brexiter politicians.
The best five designs will be put up on billboards in towns and cities around Britain in what the campaigners, known as Led By Donkeys, describe as a push to give the public more accurate information.
The competition will be judged by the writer-director Armando Iannucci and the actor and comedian David Schneider.
Will Rose of Led By Donkeys said: “If you absolutely must launch a £100m propaganda campaign at taxpayers’ expense to make Brexit feel inevitable, at least make it good.
“Instead Johnson and Gove have come up with a cross between a supermarket’s own-brand pasta packaging and the 1980s England football kit. It’s a colossal waste of money.
Iannucci said: “All we are doing is taking back control of our billboards. Together, we can spaff posters on to prime advertising space and send a message. That message is: ‘Please help us, God.’”
Up the workers!
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I think we should all take a moment to consider: the Sex Pistols and Johnny Rotten were considered an abomination during the Queen's Jubilee back in 1977. Held up by politicians, police, and media as being a real threat from working class yobbo anarchists to all that was seen as decent and proper. Banned across the country. Hated and despised by the majority. And they were just a band.
Who would have thought that 40 years later, it would be someone, the prime minister of the UK, who went to Eaton and was elected President of the Oxford Union that would be the one to hold the establishment; ,parliament, judiciary, and royalty in utter contempt. And yet... be loved by so many.
Britain, you can fuck right off.
Who would have thought that 40 years later, it would be someone, the prime minister of the UK, who went to Eaton and was elected President of the Oxford Union that would be the one to hold the establishment; ,parliament, judiciary, and royalty in utter contempt. And yet... be loved by so many.
Britain, you can fuck right off.
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Up the workers!
Are OK?kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:20 pmI think we should all take a moment to consider: the Sex Pistols and Johnny Rotten were considered an abomination during the Queen's Jubilee back in 1977. Held up by politicians, police, and media as being a real threat from working class yobbo anarchists to all that was seen as decent and proper. Banned across the country. Hated and despised by the majority.
Who would have thought that 40 years later, it would be someone who went to Eaton and was elected President of the Oxford Union that would be the one to hold the establishment; ,parliament, judiciary, and royalty in utter contempt. And yet... be loved by so many.
Britain, you can fuck right off.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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