Argue in circles about British politics thread
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Student voting intentions
Latest student voting intention just in via ICM.
Labour 72%
Lib Dems 10%
Conservatives 8%
SNP 3%
Brexit Party 2%
Plaid Cymru 2%
Green 1%
ICM 29 Nov-2 Dec
I can't quite decide whether to have Eggs Benedict with Wild Alaskan Smoked Salmon and a bottle of 1998 Coche-Dury Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru, or the Fillet of Dover Soul* with a bottle of 1996 Dom Perignon Rose Gold Methuselah.
Fuzzhead ?
Latest student voting intention just in via ICM.
Labour 72%
Lib Dems 10%
Conservatives 8%
SNP 3%
Brexit Party 2%
Plaid Cymru 2%
Green 1%
ICM 29 Nov-2 Dec
I can't quite decide whether to have Eggs Benedict with Wild Alaskan Smoked Salmon and a bottle of 1998 Coche-Dury Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru, or the Fillet of Dover Soul* with a bottle of 1996 Dom Perignon Rose Gold Methuselah.
Fuzzhead ?
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IDEA: let's create division among division among division then hack someone's Facebook account, so they and their little kids get death threats.
If it wasn't enough, that the Johnson and his Brexiters put out a NHS leaflet warning that Corbyn would destroy the NHS.
Now, they have hacked a medical secretary's Facebook account claiming her to be a nurse with inside information.
If nobody believes your shit anymore, try getting someone else to say it.
A medical secretary has claimed her Facebook account was hacked after it was used to post false information claiming that a photograph of an ill boy on the floor at Leeds General Infirmary was staged for political purposes.
The woman denied posting the allegation that four-year-old Jack Willment-Barr’s mother placed him on the floor specifically to take the picture which became symbolic of the NHS’s troubles after it appeared on the front page of Monday’s Daily Mirror.
“I was hacked. I am not a nurse and I certainly don’t know anyone in Leeds,” said the woman, whose name the Guardian is withholding because she says she has received death threats. “I’ve had to delete everything as I have had death threats to myself and my children.”
The original viral post on the medical secretary’s Facebook account said “I am a nurse myself” and cited a “good friend of mine” at Leeds General.
It claimed the boy in the photo “was in fact put there by his mother who then took photos on her mobile phone and then uploaded it to media outlets”. The post dismissed the pictures of the ill boy as “another Momentum propaganda story”, despite the fact the hospital had already apologised for his treatment.
If it wasn't enough, that the Johnson and his Brexiters put out a NHS leaflet warning that Corbyn would destroy the NHS.
Now, they have hacked a medical secretary's Facebook account claiming her to be a nurse with inside information.
If nobody believes your shit anymore, try getting someone else to say it.
A medical secretary has claimed her Facebook account was hacked after it was used to post false information claiming that a photograph of an ill boy on the floor at Leeds General Infirmary was staged for political purposes.
The woman denied posting the allegation that four-year-old Jack Willment-Barr’s mother placed him on the floor specifically to take the picture which became symbolic of the NHS’s troubles after it appeared on the front page of Monday’s Daily Mirror.
“I was hacked. I am not a nurse and I certainly don’t know anyone in Leeds,” said the woman, whose name the Guardian is withholding because she says she has received death threats. “I’ve had to delete everything as I have had death threats to myself and my children.”
The original viral post on the medical secretary’s Facebook account said “I am a nurse myself” and cited a “good friend of mine” at Leeds General.
It claimed the boy in the photo “was in fact put there by his mother who then took photos on her mobile phone and then uploaded it to media outlets”. The post dismissed the pictures of the ill boy as “another Momentum propaganda story”, despite the fact the hospital had already apologised for his treatment.
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it's not a big deal whether the photo is real or not anyway
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All those people like Dallow Spicer who think that the only choice in this election is between two extremes: Conservative hard right vs Labour hard left.
They support the liberal middle ground, they say. Dallow has even supposedly cutup his Conservative membership card.
They couldn't be more wrong if they tried, which they obviously haven't. Corbyn's Labour is the middle ground whilst the Tories are no better than the BNP on many levels, and Trump's Republicans on the rest.
Please properly educate yourselves in this matter before the 12th.
The switchboard is open.
They support the liberal middle ground, they say. Dallow has even supposedly cutup his Conservative membership card.
They couldn't be more wrong if they tried, which they obviously haven't. Corbyn's Labour is the middle ground whilst the Tories are no better than the BNP on many levels, and Trump's Republicans on the rest.
Please properly educate yourselves in this matter before the 12th.
The switchboard is open.
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kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:09 pm. Corbyn's Labour is the middle ground whilst the Tories are no better than the BNP on many levels, and Trump's Republicans on the rest.
hmm sure, UK-hating, IRA/Hamas-loving Corbyn!
WTF - Corbyn and his bunch of fucking clowns?? No thanks
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I'm glad you asked.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:43 pmkungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:09 pm. Corbyn's Labour is the middle ground whilst the Tories are no better than the BNP on many levels, and Trump's Republicans on the rest.
hmm sure, UK-hating, IRA/Hamas-loving Corbyn!
WTF - Corbyn and his bunch of fucking clowns?? No thanks
Take the fundamental liberal principle of equality before the law. Under the Conservative – Liberal Democrat coalition government, the legal aid budget was slashed, leaving many people without any access to legal representation, a situation that has led one judge to question whether the defendant’s “human rights are irrevocably impinged”. A civil lawyer told BuzzFeed’s Emily Duggan, “I’d say about half the cases I’ve worked on, the outcome would have been different if the other side had a lawyer.” Labour’s Bach Commission has proposed a large number of reforms to the legal aid and courts system, to “restore access to justice as a fundamental public entitlement”.
Or take the basic status of citizenship, and the rights that flow from it. Reactionary populism enthusiastically strips citizenship from those taken to fall outside the ‘legitimate’ body politic: the use of these government powers has recently skyrocketed. Corbyn’s Labour has taken the unpopular (not ‘populist’) and entirely correct liberal position that British citizens like Shamima Begum have every right to return to the UK and, if accused of crimes, to be tried in British courts, with adequate legal representation. Meanwhile, the Home Secretary has specifically intervened to block the repatriation of British orphans and unaccompanied minors from Syria, leaving children born overseas to British ISIS members to die in refugee camps.
Or take Labour’s economic programme. Much ink has been spilled over the supposed illiberalism of Labour’s economic plans: as if expanding the number of cooperatives in the economy, investing in infrastructure, subsidising higher education, and nationalising key public utilities, are Stalinist plots to institute command-and-control authoritarian communism. In fact, of course, Labour’s proposals are in line with mainstream social-democratic mixed economy state structures: Labour’s economic programme can easily be defended on the basic economic principles of Keynesian investment, and correcting ‘market failures’ via state intervention around positive or negative ‘externalities’. Pundits who have managed to confuse “defending unusually low levels of corporation tax” for “defending liberal economic institutions” do not deserve to be taken seriously.
Or take the fundamental social-democratic principles that animate Labour’s redistributive policies. Under the Conservative – Liberal Democrat coalition austerity programme, spending constraints on health and social care have, per academics writing in the British Medical Journal, resulted in many tens of thousands of excess deaths. Office for National Statistics figures show that under the coalition and Tory governments, life expectancy has fallen by almost 100 days among women living in the most deprived areas of the UK. The UN Special Rapporteur on poverty characterised the rise in poverty under austerity as “a social calamity”. Rough sleeping has, per the Crisis homelessness monitor, increased by 165% since 2010. Labour’s anti-austerity policy programme would begin to reverse the terrible human cost of those austerity years. This is not a specifically socialist agenda: it is a policy programme that any progressive liberal keen to inhabit a civilised society should embrace.
Or take the enactment and enforcement of the ‘hostile environment’ policy by the Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government. ‘Centrist’ ministers who oversaw the deportation of long term British residents by right, sometimes to their deaths, the denial of medical care, the refusal of housing – these ‘centrist’ ministers now somehow attack a Labour Party committed to undoing these policies as ‘illiberal’. Amelia Gentleman has documented the lives and deaths of dozens of hostile environment victims at The Guardian, though many more will have gone unrecorded. Gentleman writes: “I wanted to cry at my desk when I opened a letter from the mother of a young woman who had arrived in Britain from Jamaica in 1974, aged one. In 2015, after being classified as an illegal immigrant and sent to Yarl’s Wood detention centre, she had taken an overdose and died.” This is one story among many.
Finally, take the role of international diplomatic institutions. Corbyn has a longstanding liberal (not ‘two campist’) commitment to international institutions’ capacity to constrain military conflict: a position that contrasts starkly with many so-called liberal centrists’ eagerness to unilaterally bomb, invade, occupy and devastate entire countries and regions on the flimsiest of geopolitical pretexts. Most urgently, British arms sales and on-the-ground military support are currently critical to the ongoing prosecution of the military conflict in Yemen, the consequences of which are described by the UN as the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. Tens of thousands of children under five have died from starvation or disease in Yemen; about a hundred thousand people have been killed in the conflict itself; millions are at risk of famine. As David Wearing writes in The Guardian, UK on-the-ground involvement is essential to the war: “A former Saudi Air Force officer stated flatly that his compatriots “can’t keep the Typhoon in the air without the British””. Labour’s manifesto commits to “immediately suspend the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia for use in Yemen”.
There is much more that could be said. Coalition and Conservative policies have often been inhumane, sometimes to a degree that is difficult to understand or to bear. But the narrow and perhaps pedantic point I want to emphasise is that these policies have also, very often, been profoundly illiberal. At the same time, many of Corbyn’s Labour’s most reviled and criticised stances are reviled precisely for their progressive liberalism: their emphasis on civil libertarian constraints on power; their insistence that human rights derive not from our supposedly praiseworthy membership of the national body politic, or from individual virtues, but from our humanity.
Of course, liberalism has many facets. There is no one ‘liberalism’. Rather, there are many rival liberalisms – including both reactionary and emancipatory forms. Moreover, we should not be naive about the likely shortcomings of a Corbyn government: Labour and the left contain their illiberal elements, in addition to the potentially serious failures of nerve, capacity, and competence that would inevitably afflict a Labour government.
Nevertheless, the centrist pundits are correct when they argue that this election is at base a contest between liberalism and illiberalism. They are correct when they say that liberalism is in danger. They are simply wrong in their diagnosis of the risks. In fact, despite the anti-leftist phantasmagoria that dominates our media ecosystem, Corbyn’s Labour offers exactly the moderate, mixed economy, politically liberal alternative to reactionary populism that ‘centrist’ liberals claim to desire. Ironically, our best hope for a progressive political liberalism now rests in the electoral victory of a Corbynist movement that has been relentlessly attacked in the name of progressive liberalism. Defend liberalism against its nominal defenders: vote Labour on December 12th.
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Come on Kunfuu, time for one last frantic push to get over the finish line.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Apparently, it's all in the stars now.
Bizarre reason General Election 2019 could be decided by Uranus and moon Birmingham Live
Remember to vote with your head: not your arse.
There is still time, as per RobW's shining example, to mend your errant ways.
Ps, how's the economy doing under the Business Party.
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Boris Johnson ‘Hides in Fridge’ to Escape Piers Morgan Interview
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It’s the general election in Britain tomorrow and, with polls dramatically narrowing at the eleventh hour, the campaign is finally heating up. Perhaps that’s why Boris Johnson felt it was necessary to hide inside a fridge to avoid a Wednesday morning grilling from Piers Morgan.
The British prime minister was ambushed during a campaign visit to a Yorkshire milk factory by a producer from Morgan’s Good Morning Britain TV show—but was clearly in no mood to talk. When the producer, Jonathan Swain, initially approached Johnson, one of his staffers, who has obviously had a long month, was broadcast live mouthing: “Oh for fuck’s sake.”
When Swain repeated his request for Johnson to speak to Morgan, who was waiting to talk from the studio, the prime minister replied: “I’ll be with you in a second.” However, Johnson then hastily left the scene by making a beeline into the nearest secure location—a fridge full of milk.
Conservative sources later bravely tried to insist to The Guardian that Johnson was “categorically not hiding” in the fridge, despite Johnson emerging from the chilly container with an armful of milk bottles. Johnson’s staff insisted it was a planned break in the schedule to help the prime minister prepare for a different, pre-agreed interview.
A new YouGov poll says 40% of British people think Johnson would make a good prime minister.
I myself have never heard of anyone managing to fall in as much shit as Johnson does and still keep coming up smelling of roses. I think it must be down to the Conservative electorate finally finding itself in a state of fucktardy symbiosis with its leader. The Shangri-la dream of every Conservative voting businessman, where you can continually fuck up in so many horrendous ways, even causing people their homes, jobs, and lives and still manage to escape any form of .justice.
Or has he...
REUTERS
It’s the general election in Britain tomorrow and, with polls dramatically narrowing at the eleventh hour, the campaign is finally heating up. Perhaps that’s why Boris Johnson felt it was necessary to hide inside a fridge to avoid a Wednesday morning grilling from Piers Morgan.
The British prime minister was ambushed during a campaign visit to a Yorkshire milk factory by a producer from Morgan’s Good Morning Britain TV show—but was clearly in no mood to talk. When the producer, Jonathan Swain, initially approached Johnson, one of his staffers, who has obviously had a long month, was broadcast live mouthing: “Oh for fuck’s sake.”
When Swain repeated his request for Johnson to speak to Morgan, who was waiting to talk from the studio, the prime minister replied: “I’ll be with you in a second.” However, Johnson then hastily left the scene by making a beeline into the nearest secure location—a fridge full of milk.
Conservative sources later bravely tried to insist to The Guardian that Johnson was “categorically not hiding” in the fridge, despite Johnson emerging from the chilly container with an armful of milk bottles. Johnson’s staff insisted it was a planned break in the schedule to help the prime minister prepare for a different, pre-agreed interview.
A new YouGov poll says 40% of British people think Johnson would make a good prime minister.
I myself have never heard of anyone managing to fall in as much shit as Johnson does and still keep coming up smelling of roses. I think it must be down to the Conservative electorate finally finding itself in a state of fucktardy symbiosis with its leader. The Shangri-la dream of every Conservative voting businessman, where you can continually fuck up in so many horrendous ways, even causing people their homes, jobs, and lives and still manage to escape any form of .justice.
Or has he...
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Very interesting. A good friend of mine is a senior nursing sister at Leeds General Infirmary. The Prime Minister shown in the fridge by the media was in fact put there by Corbyn, who then took photo's on his mobile phone and uploaded it to media outlets before he announced The Labour Party will be nationalising Sausages after gaining power. A senior Tory source has confirmed that, outside the metropolitan bubble, the people of The UK hide in fridges all the time. I have been a fridge repairman for the last 174 years, and every single fridge I have fixed has had a Prime Minister inside it. To be fair it's the best place to keep Chicken.
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Let's not worry too much. After all, if Johnson does win the election, they'll be another one in a year's time. It's The new Tory way, apparently. I predict a vote of no confidence coming up.
It will also be interesting to see if the squirrel shooter backs the Tories again. She has already proved she wouldn't back a Corbyn Labour and singlehandedly is the cause of Johnson still being in power because she refused to form a temporary government with Corbyn at the helm.
I'm sort of looking forward to the Johnson being burned at the stake, and the Tory Party being ground to dust. Neither should have ever been allowed to exist in the first place.
Poor YattingPom, he's got another year at least of being in the back of the car asking whether we're there yet if the Tories win.
Of course, non of that will help the kids who are waiting and dying. So, better vote Labour and
Get Britain Sorted and the Johnson taken to the vets and done.
It will also be interesting to see if the squirrel shooter backs the Tories again. She has already proved she wouldn't back a Corbyn Labour and singlehandedly is the cause of Johnson still being in power because she refused to form a temporary government with Corbyn at the helm.
I'm sort of looking forward to the Johnson being burned at the stake, and the Tory Party being ground to dust. Neither should have ever been allowed to exist in the first place.
Poor YattingPom, he's got another year at least of being in the back of the car asking whether we're there yet if the Tories win.
Of course, non of that will help the kids who are waiting and dying. So, better vote Labour and
Get Britain Sorted and the Johnson taken to the vets and done.
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